I'd like to see it as well Maurie

It is now working, just click on View Image
Maurie

Save it to your hard drive then read it at whatever size you want.

Then you can also add some questions of your own to the answers you put in and send it back. You could also send it on to others as well

-- Edited by heyu at 23:43, 2008-05-03

Sorry Shaun,
When you log on "View Image" appears under the item, click on that, when the item appears it may go small again, put your curser on the page and an orange icon appears and it says"Expand to regular size", click on that and there it is, big as life.
Keep up the discussions, it is all good, people are reading your opinions!!
Maurie

Hi Kelvin 
I do think that prolite class will be a great class. I am also going to this class.  So i am having a year off to put in the motor in and getting the car rebuild suit this class. And i need a rest from racing i have been doing it for over 20 years.         

 maybe there needs to be less emphasis on out right finishers and more on class wins , i also agree that its a bit early to say that prolite and the tri series have not been a success , instead of more changes we need to work on building the profile of the sport

WHY??? do people think there is anything wrong?....off-road seems fine to me!

Although NSW STATE level seems to be suffering a bit this year with low entries.
How are state level events in other states going?
B.T.W., I have converted to PROLITE, AND planned to to the AORC tri-series this year, but we bought a farm (and lots of debt), so the buggy is now a place for the chooks to nest for a while!!
I also believe it would be a huge benefit to not replace seat belts so often (absolutely ridiculous rule to start with), especially for club level/budget racers.

-- Edited by jones off road at 13:49, 2008-05-07

Good point gary
Paying a house off, building a new buggy, a kid, work comittments, fuel they all add up we will get there one day
We raced Kempsey in the 90's(living at home dept free) with 130+ entries pesonally i couldn't wait for around lap 3 or so when a 1/3 rd of the field either hit trees or broke down then there wasn't as much dust or traffic
75-100 entries i think is great
Best part about the sport is you build it yourself maintain it yourself (we are now to keep the cost down) down side is takes longer
As for Class 6 or whatever class your in you still have the same entry travel cost ect just you running cost get more if you go pro class

-- Edited by NSWCLASS2 at 19:03, 2008-05-07

off road racing is looking awesome just coming back from donald
bang for buck is probaly the best motorsport to be in the seat time you get compared to any other form is massive and entries are still under $500.00 regardless on how much a race car is from 5k to 300k to take it to the next level (tv sponsorship ect) as so many people talk about which has been talked about the last 30yrs it will never happen out in the desert the level it is at now is great cheap to enter great numbers well organised starting to cater for families and will only get better. look at USA why is every top racer racing corr? to fund their desert racing which is the ultimate.you can attract sponsors,spectators exciting close racing easier than desert.this is a perfert example if i take a potential major sponsor to an event i know they will sign off on an event that has t.v,spectators (thousends),location close to major city,well promoted put the company up in corporate box with all the bling.they will find this more attractive than driving 5-6 hrs from a capitial city to sit in the dirt. i am not knocking the desert racing as this is why i race, just for attracting sponsors out in the desert if we can ride a short corse series to then go desert racing and you dont have to have a short corse car as the majority of us can not afford. set it up to use our desert cars. we dont want to go down the line of rally massive costs just to be on t.v. woopee   they get SOME sponsors but it all goes back in to just to compete. short course gets spectators let them pay for everything as we are putting on the show eg over in perth 6 yes 6 monster trucks attracted 9-10000 people at $70. a ticket in a stadium but they put on a really go SHOW thats what it is about putting a complete show . it is really hard to get sponsors and the myth about  sponsors paying you to go racing  dosent happen but spectators WILL.how the short course series is run this is easy put RULES in place no CRASH AND BASH ther is no crash and bash when we go desert racing why should it be any different.basically it would be great to have tv at our desert rounds but i know who will be paying for it and why just to watch ourselves .the USA is leading the world in off road lets follow there system we have already there cars here.
cheers
chris


 

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Not sure what halcyon even means.There were higher numbers of entrants in the 80's but the total value of the cars in the field wouldn't buy the first two placegetters cars at Donald.

The number of Jimcos , Porters etc is mind blowing so the economy is not hurting everyone.
Maybe numbers are down because the bar has been raised so high and an entry level car now costs as much as an outright capable car did in the eighties.

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Quality vs Quantity then? I wasnt around offroad in the 80's when big car numbers were around but for those that were, what do you think is better for offroad? Lots of lower quality cars, or fewer cars of higher quality?

The problem is though, that even with rules in place that you can't push people out of the way, etc, accidents are a lot more likely to happen in that style of racing they they are on the long course tracks. And those crashes can cost lots and lots of money to fix. No doubt some could afford the repairs, but many have already invested as much as they have to get those good cars, so they don't have the money to throw at those sort of repairs.

 Interesting topic. I have been involved in the sport since 1981, so here is my two bobs worth. I think one of the problems with our sport today is that there are two very different groups that compete in our sport. The first is the full on racer who has very expensive race car, transporter, etc. Their number one aim is to win races. They seek high level media coverage to attract sponsors to help cover their huge costs. They prefer to stay in motels & spend their evenings downloading data from their cars computer system. I say good luck to them, if I had that sort of money I would do it too.

The second & I believe much larger group is the racer who is involved in the sport for fun. They don't really care about media, they are professional in their approach to preparation of their car. They are happy to just compete, if they pick up a place then that's a bonus. They love to camp with their friends & other club members & prefer to spend the night before a race sitting arround a campfire enjoying a quiet soft drink.

The problems occur when these two groups combine. The first & most obvious is the speed difference. The second problem is a safety & engineering one. Should a car that is capable of 220kph plus have things like on board fire system, hanns device, speed rated tyres, full race suit, new seat belts every two years etc. I say yes. If your car is worth 100 grand plus then these expenses are minimal in the overall cost of going racing. 

It is quite feasable & propper that our rulemakers have change things often to keep up with the ever increasing speeds of modern off road cars. The problem is that to enforce such costs on a car that is worth 5-10 grand is not reasonable. There seems to be no ability to govern the top end of the sport without a huge detrimental effect on the bottem.

Pehaps it is time we did soething similar to what the V8's did, that is the made V8's a seperate setup from all other sedan racing. Is it time that we had offroad supercars with there own set of rules & regulations. These cars would compete for the offroad championship etc. They would get there high media exposure, they would not have to put up with slow old blokes like me out there having a bit of fun. 

i think stingray that the so called top racers are there to have the same fun as the racer who owns a 5k car we are not racing for sheep stations and massive prize money the racer who owns a 5k car puts in the same effort to get his car ready as the others i think this is the best thing about off road in general no matter what budget you have you can race and be treated with the same respect as any other competetor the guys with the top cars have all been there with there 5k car when starting dont seperate the field due to money spenton there race cars if its saftey gear that becomes an extra cost to go racing i think its good at the end of the day if any of us have an accident and are saved by the saftey rules then it has to be good the one thing i still dont understand is when people can tell the difference between a national race car and a state race car.
cheers
chris

you want to seperate the offroad community based on budget? I'd strongly disagree, I reckon most offroaders would. AORCom is working to fill gaps in our sport, not create them. Do you see rally running seperate events for the guns and the clubbies? Theyve got tv coverage and its not helping them at the moment. Theyre sport is diminishing fast while ours is growing. So I say if it aint broke, dont try to fix it!

Besides, thats just not in the spirit of offroad.