AORC 2010 whats happening??????

Rush · Forum Junkie

AORC 2010 whats happening??????

Trekka273 · sponsor

I have no link whatsoever with anyone producing the shows or those who are making the decisions to decide who gets the work. I have watched the shows and I think they have been pretty good. It is a professional looking product and showcases the sport well. With the tracks raced on (ie distances covered), and the number of competitors, it would be extremely difficult to get coverage of all the vehicles all of the time. it is a 30 minute show, and when the races cover 400-odd kilometres it is very difficult to get everyone in there.

As I don't know, I will ask the question. Who pays for the coverage and the air time?

020 OFFROAD · Regular Poster

Hello,

I am not currently a national competitor (though I have competed at a couple of national events, and crewed at a fair few), but was hoping to step up in the coming season, with all the new TV coverage etc. Basically, in my opinion, the show that is being produced by ORP/ Conflict, is focussing on the wrong aspects of our sport and it is not presenting us as professional people. Some of the filming and shots of the cars are, undeniably awesome, but then again it is one of the most extreme motorsports out there, so you would expect it to be.

As far as me being able to show sponsors/ potential sponsors these shows, and then ask them for product/ money, is ludacris as we are being presented as bogans.

One of the biggest issues we are having with racing over here, is environmental issues with CALM etc. so showing footage of people running over trees isnt doing us any favours, is it?

As I already said, some of the shots are awesome, but the same shot over and over again gets old very quickly! (I understand sometimes this is done for comparisons of speed over the same terrain etc.). This footage is only thi tip of the iceburg for this sport as we have all seen some of the American DVD's. As far as I am concerned, the only way to film offroad properly, is with a helicopter and they have hardly used one.

If we are going to do this whole TV thing as a sport then we might as well do it properly.

The show is definately biased toward the people who threw in money (Colin Hunter, Luke Erceg and whoever else it says at the end of the shows.) And the coverage that the Taylor's are getting is absolutely out of control. Also the pump-ups like "VETERAN LEGEND" and "The OFFROAD DYNASTY that is" being thrown at the Taylor family are seriously cringe worthy.

This sort of thing would be OK if they went out on their own and decided to make a production, but I am pretty sure that they have been engaged to produce a show about the championship by ORRINC, not to inflate their ego's and please thier own raceteams sponsors.

This production should be promoting Mainly the Class/ Outright winners, and the chuck in whatever other EXTREME footage that they may have captured, and then all other competitors, not another Slowmotion shot of car #6 with a convienently placed rockstar energy can next to it.

I have spoken to a few national Racers about this and they feel similar to me.

Whatever you think about this show, Good or Bad, Comment here about it or else noone will ever know.

My .02

Jonny French
French Bros Racing
Car # 413

jeff m · Regular Poster

if your not happy guys with current promotion and show airing, I'd suggest getting off your ass and doing it yourself. I'm and off-road racing fan. i don't race myself, and don't personally know any of the teams competing. I was ecstatic when this orp production come to air. whoever is behind has brought this sport into the nations lounge rooms. do i sense some bad blood mr rush? seems like you have shit on the liver, because your car hasn't been shown as much as renstch,fellows,taylor,wicked, ect.

the general public are only going to want to see the front runners, they dont give a rats arse about 5th 6th 7th place, if you want more exposure for your car or your sponsors, approach the directors, inject funds into the cause and keep a great thing going.

the thing that has turned me off, off road racing is the narrow minded views of some competitors and there reluctance to accept new, willing people into the sport.

mr rush, your obviously a national company with an advertising budget. can i suggest spending some of that budget on this show???

might be easier to shout on a computer...........................

regards

jeff

Webmaster · Rehab Dropout...

guys i will let this thread go one but please no personal attacks on any teams or people i'm go to have to watch what happens here as this thread it involves two forum sponsers and i don't wish for ether to pissed off.

i'm sorry chris but if this turns into a slinging match i will close it down.

lets all be adults and get all the fact down.

Wolf · Rehab Dropout...

Much as i hate to say it there are some valid points and questions asked here. Its very obvious who puts the money in as any one of those teams mentionesd seem to get more time on the screen than everyone else put together.

At the same time its hard to critisize as its still great exposure for the sport.

Perhaps some constructve critisism is whats in order here.

Johhny's right, Ive heard the show refered to as the taylor show by alot of competitors.

The production quality is great, perhaps more incar shots from various cars tho?

The question about next years show is a good one, we missed out on a sponsorship deal for 2010 to a go kart team as they could say that their division already had thier TV plans arranged for next year. Who do i ask about next years show?

As i said, constructive critisism for the producers (who are members of this forum) may help produce a better show, and Im sure they would welcome it.

Stingray 2212 · Rehab Dropout...

Wow, so this is off road 2009 at the pointy end. My greatest concern for 2010 is how to comply with the side intrusion rules & still be able to get in and out of my car safely.

This just proves how great the divide is between the guys that race as a hobby & those that race for sheep stations.

This is our new found professionalisum & progression forward, people bitching about how much TV time other people get. Knock yourselves out guys, you will NEVER get equal & fair airtime.

I will enjoy in 2010 going to a couple of races, sitting around a campfire with some friends I have known for many years now, sharing a quiet softdrink & swapping stories of years past. Then I get to do what gives me pleasure, that is to drive my buggy.

king kong · sponsor

Im glad this topic came up, it gives me an opportunity to explain a few things.
Firstly who pays for the coverage and air time? When we first received the rights to film the championship we were left with five weeks to find the funding for the series. Not enough time to find a sponsor but not through lack of trying. We had nearlly half the funds raised prior to this and then we sent proposals either via email or verbally to many race teams. We ended up with five spots sold leaving a massive gap in the funding. Some teams already committed offered to buy more spots to assist in filling that gap. (Im sure you can pick which teams they were.) Two major contributers pulled out of the racing season leaving an even bigger gap. There was only one place left for the funding to come from. And that 100k was out of my wifes and my pocket.
We could have quite easily walked but we had made a commitment to the whole off road family and we were always going to honour it.
If i was doing this to feather my own nest i would have bought a pro buggy myself and be having a whole lot more fun than i am having right now.
Yes your right more chopper footage would be great, so when the budget comes so will the chopper.
As for the slow motion shots there are quite a few of all of the contributers sponsors and if we didnt give our contributers value for money i wouldnt be doing my job properly. There are teams with more air time than team taylor for the exact reason of this issue coming up even though they have been the equal highest contributer. ( that doesnt seem fair does it.) We have put alot of effort into making the coverage fair to all including grassroots competitors, place getters and also i need to keep the people prepared to put their money where their mouth is happy otherwise there would be nothing. I would have much rather seen alot of teams put in a little money than a few teams put in alot of money which could have alleviated this issue. Lets face it if you put tens of thousands of dollars into promoting your team and sport you would want to see value for money.
As far as seeing the same footage over this was all from differing series, Three journeys, Dusted, You tube clips and also the AORC series all with potentially different audiences. The words you speak about that are cringe worthy what about young gun or off road racing legend or the master vs the apprentice or david vs golliath or excitement machine aimed at other competitors which creates images for the viewers.

Unfortunately trees are a big part of our sport and they are always going to be hit and if this is the biggest issue we have i think we are doing ok. How many times have you seen a rally car go over a cliff and take out trees? it makes for good tv. If you have proof that this is an issue let me know and we can address the situation. This is the first year and there is always going to be unforseen issues arise and if other people see them before we do then please tell us.
We are doing this for the sport as a whole, the teams the events and the people.
If it wasnt for the few teams that have contributed the sport would be back where it was five years ago. People now know what Off Road Racing is. The production is being shown in retail stores, cafes and pubs and homes all over the place which tells me that people love it and the stats are there to back it up.
We are more than happy to take constructive critisism from competitors and enthusiasts via email not forums. We have received only one issue from channel ten about the level of the music and that was rectified other wise they are extremely impressed with what they have seen and want to continue the relationship. There have been many emails and phone calls from competitors and also people who have never seen the sport before commenting on how good the sport is and they are enjoying the series. We realize we cant keep everybody happy but we are trying.
As i said this is being done to support off road racing and we want to work with the sport to make it better so lets hope the sport can support us.

Thanks for your support
Clayton Taylor
Off Road Promotions.

william · Rehab Dropout...

clayton

is the show planned to happened next year and if so maybe you would be able to put up a request for sponsorship here. as you know most people in offroad racing on the net have a look in here from time to time.

also sorra has a working relationship with webb video so it may be possible to expand the show with updates on state events as well as there is dvd produced for these and some club rounds . i can only imagine what this show is costing to do but if expanded to include state levels i'm sure you could pick up lots of sponsorship from smaller teams and the general off road community.

dessert-people · Rehab Dropout...

king
just 2 quick queations whats wrong with forums and if you are not having fun why are you doing it . as for the shows the racing bit is good , all the interviews with drivers are not need
furious

Rush · Forum Junkie

a little confused

who do i send my letter of concern to ORP or ORRINC who decides the direction ,sponsors and content of the shows.

Wolf · Rehab Dropout...

Thanx for the info clay. Perhaps theres a happy medium where the lower guys get a look in and you're not out of pocket to make it! I dont know what that is mind you, no doubt its something youre already thinking about!

Trekka273 · sponsor

I think Clayton's reply is excellent. If I was in the position to be racing and sponsoring the telecast of the events, I would be expecting a bit of "bang for buck" from the telecast for my sponsors as they are the one's tipping in the money. Would it be fair on the people putting the money in if everyone else who has not contributed a cent to the telecast got just as much or more coverage then the people putting their hand in to their own pockets?

If only it was easy to get outside sponsorship it would be easy, everyone would be happy. But that isn't the case, and while it is like this then those paying the bills will get the most coverage, which I have no problems with.

jump1 · Rehab Dropout...

maybe start up some sort of fund for people to put in something to go towards the cost of the show??? Also i got a quote of a guy about running a chopper per event and he said it would be around the $800per hour with a pilot so gives you some idea of the cost. But i would like to know at a rough guess what is going to happen as i have asked a few companies and they have said well tell us what is planned and then we can work on it from there so i to would just like to know

My 2cents

heyu · Rehab Dropout...

Congratulations on the great job you are doing for our sport. The coverage has been brilliant and the feedback I have been getting from people who didn't even know our sport existed, proves that it must be getting through to the general public. I can see that some competitors might notice an imbalance in cars covered,People in our sport might notice this but the average viewer just see's a great Australian sport Show. All the winners of the different classes are recognized & seen .

If more cars tip in sponsorship (can be any class) and maybe have a talk to Clayton to help find out what info is needed to chase outside sponsorship monies to help make it happen again next year.With more $$$$ maybe an hour show.

For a first time go at a television program, top stuff, bring on next year with hopefully, some more support from sponsors & competitors.

Frank Newman · Newbie

Firstly, it is high time this subject has come up on the forum. It has been spoken vigorously around the pits since Taylor's first showing. The fact remains that there was a submission called to promote our sport on TV, after John Patterson's initial attempts to break our sport into the 20th century failed due to 17 of the 20 people that pledged $5,000 did not pay up to make up the $100,000 that was going to be used to employ a marketing company for 3 years to source outside sponsors to put Australian Off-Road Racing into the media.

A decision was obviously then made to ask for submissions for someone to take the whole project on their own and get outside sponsors. Only two submission were received. The criteria was for supply of sponsors, helicopters. cameramen, etc. etc. etc. Off-Road Promotions (Taylors) obviously won this submission. It is believed they never had any outside sponsors or arms-length sponsors as originally specified so their only avenue for funds was from competitors themselves. A submission to various teams was sent out asking for funds. In this submission, at the very end, i t was stated that depending on the on amount of money that was invested (whether it be $5,000 or $10,000) this would determine the amount of exposure you would receive on TV. Not good news for those competitors that are finding it hard just to get their car ready and transport to the event. They have no chance of being on TV and therefore it keeps pushing them down the ladder as they are unable to give potential sponsors a glimpse of their talent or team.

I know for a fact that many times board members of ORRINC have been approached with competitors dissatisfaction as to the Taylor/Kittle/Hunter/Ercec/Chapman TV program. They wonder why these complaints have fallen on deaf ears because two of the board members are two of the shows sponsors, being Hunter and Ercec. Doesn't this constitute a conflict of interest? Even to the fact that on the entry forms, it is stated that any video footage, either in car or trackside remains the property of Off-Road Promotions but it is OK for them to use up to a 1/3 of the TV program on the Taylors or Rockstar.

Off-Road Promotions is missing the point. They are not producing the show they tendered for, i.e. no outside sponsors and very little helicopter footage. While the time slot is great, only city viewers can take advantage of it.

Let's hope 2010 brings a fairer deal to all Off-Road racers.

Blacky · In rehab

Well done to the people who are promoting our sport. The average outsider/TV viewer sees off road racing, not silly conflict about air time or other personal grievances/biases that people may have. $$$$ need to be put up and everyone has the option to be a sponsor. All motorsport is about $$$ and ORR is no different. No good whinging because a bloke that can buy a Jimco wins races over blokes like us that can barely afford the entry fee. If they are having as much fun as us that is what matters. Well done to Taylors and everyone else that is promoting our sport. I watched Bathurst today and the bias towards the top ten was obvious. Thats what people want to see. Same as our sport.
Cheers - Blacky.

Carbyman · sponsor

Blacky you saved me a long reply as your comments hit the nail on the head, to the outside viewer offroad is awsome to watch.there has never been a comment like what has been mentioned above.
people used to walk into my shop and say
" thats a big speed boat your building"
but after a few have now seen our sport on tv they say
" are building a buggy or a truck"

-- Edited by Carbyman on Sunday 11th of October 2009 10:10:44 PM

jeff m · Regular Poster

frank newman (old pit boy)

i look for ward to YOUR submission for orrinc 2100. you are obviously better equipped than the current production team. no wonder you blokes cant get international sponsorship. with this crap going on..... good luck. ive seen less infighting at a CWA meeting.

wisdom from rush

"a little confused

who do i send my letter of concern to ORP or ORRINC who decides the direction ,sponsors and content of the shows."

you've answered your own question, mate. I'm no Einstein........

one thing i can guarantee, now, i won't be taking my corperate clients to another rush event.

jeff mercer

off road fan

Rush · Forum Junkie

thank you Jeff (you must be part of the ORP team to tell me this information)for clearing this up i gather it is ORP that is running the show.
so we as competitors do we send lots of $$$$$$ to a start up production company and be greatful that now the general public can watch us race around in the dirt and be shown in pubs and the sport is now "out there''. i prefer to buy nick galifords dvd of each race and watch myself and others it goes for longer.
or should we be sending our money to a professional marketing and promotional company like octogon who runs the australian safari and rally that ensures a naming rights sponsor for the AORC and pubilc relations with them,which increases our chances to obtain our own sponsors on our cars,manage the $$$ to be put into promotion of the sport,the event organisers have 3 year contracts in place to increase there sponsorship which keeps entry fees down and gives the oportinity for a lot more drivers to race at AORC level if they choose. I thought this was the grand plan to get off road racing on tv.if it is to just get it out there i will not invest any $$$$ for people just to watch us race around i will invest in my race car to have the fun we all enjoy the racing part and sitting around after bench racing.
cheers
Chris Western

boss truck · Rehab Dropout...

Yes l am freinds with Team Taylor and yes l think that the shows are great. Do the people upset the most have hidden motives or is it just for the betterment of the sport. I might seem one sided but if you have sponsors you have to keep them happy and you do that by giving them a good bang for thier buck. Some of the noisiest have the money in their budgets to put in and get a few more shots of themselves in the programs but choose not to and want it all for nothing. This isn't a race for the dole scheme where the goverment will kick in for you, it is up to the teams to make their own presence felt and if it takes some dollars l think you should put in like everyone else. I know that it is hard to come up with the dollars as l am trying to get the trophylites up and running and l know it will cost me next year with whoever it is with the rights to produce the racing for TV be it ORP or B.O.P. but that is the price you have to pay in business and yes Off Road Racing is now a business. It would be great if the governing body coughs up at least half of the money needed for next year so everyone is represented in the show and if it takes a $100 plus levie from everyone who races be it state or national would people pay it or would there be more noise. I think that a state round wrap up would be great as William mentioned before. You see a lot of shows on channel 31 ect for 4WD , Boating, Bikes, Hotrods is it time for offroad racing to have its own as well. Could people stop throwing stones and put their heads together try amd make it more viable for all concerned.

Tassie Devil · In rehab

I was intending to stay out of this debate, but it is sadly degenerating in to a very personalised agenda by several people who have obvious dissatisfaction with how the TV rights were awarded to Off Road Promotions/Conflict Films and personal grievances with the individuals involved.

It is very unfortunate that this website forum has been hijacked in this manner and disappointing considering the individuals concerned, one of whom I personally have a very high opinion of and am quite surprised has chosen to use this forum as a mouth-piece in this manner.

I should explain that as the AORCom commissioner with the portfolio responsibility of the AORC I attend all the ORRInc meetings as an invited observer, so out of everyone that contributes regularly on this forum, I probably am better informed than most on this whole issue.

Now I dont want to say too much in detail because I know I will just get attacked by some of the less well informed people who occasionally frequent this site, but this time last year our form of motor sport had no national television coverage and absolutely no real profile in the broader community. Thanks to the efforts of the initial members of ORRInc like Brad Prout, Kevin Moore, John Paterson, Matt Hanson, etc, and the huge commitment by Clayton and Tammy Taylor, we now have national television exposure and every one of us can use this to our advantage. This has been good for our form of motorsport and whilst some dont like certain aspects of it or are disappointed with the production values, on balance I reckon we have done all right out of this.

Whilst many people at the top of our sport made pledges to support the establishment of ORRInc and get a TV package together, when the crunch time came very few stood up and it was only the very few mentioned before on ORRInc at the time that gave the commitment and/or finances to get this started. Some that are complaining now about not getting exposure are the ones who had their chance to contribute initially, so I find that pretty hard to digest.

Now Clayton has already chosen to come on here and defend himself and explain a few things, so I dont need to add to that. I will add though that ORRInc is in discussion with Off Road Promotions and they have highlighted some things that require attention with the productions and Clayton is well aware of this.

Just to correct a point, any video footage taken by competitors (in car or otherwise) shall not be aired on TV or made available for sale without the prior written consent of ORRInc. Thats ORRRInc, not Off Road Promotions. ORRInc is the commercial rights holder to the AORC. It has been suggested that video footage remains the property of Off Road Promotions. This is incorrect.

It also does not prohibit anyone from having a video in their car and putting that footage on You-tube, etc. They just cant use the footage as part of any television program. Even then, with ORRIncs permission, video footage taken at an AORC event may be used if ORRInc is satisfied there is no conflict with the Off Road Promotions productions, such as this weekend at Gundy when a lifestyle program segment will be shot, co-incidentally featuring one of the people who seems to be so offended by all this.

Ben Erceg and Colin Hunter have been singled out as having a conflict of interest. Both have put money in to assist the establishment of this whole deal and good on them, they have put up, unlike a lot of others. I should point out though that neither was involved in the initial awarding of the rights to ORP as they were not members of the Board of ORRInc at the time. Ben as AORCom Chairman only reluctantly agreed to join the Board when a couple of positions became available around May/June I think it was. He would have preferred to stay out of it I can assure you, but AORCom wanted some presence on the ORRInc Board. Colin joined the Board about the same time after I personally encouraged him to over a couple of beers at the Airways Motel in Port Moresby, because I and others feel he is a very astute commercial savvy person who can help guide the ORRInc Board.

I will send another post for everyones benefit which has a recent communiqué from ORRInc, which may help?

-- Edited by Tassie Devil on Monday 12th of October 2009 10:43:57 AM

Tassie Devil · In rehab

AORC Competitor Communiqué

Many competitors are not yet fully aware of the purpose of Off Road Racing Commercial Development Inc (ORRinc) and as such the Board of ORRinc would like to take this opportunity to communicate that with you, the registered competitors to clarify a variety of issues.

Statement of Purpose

ORRinc is the not for profit association that has been authorised by the Confederation of Australian Motor Sport (CAMS) to promote and develop the commercial aspects of the Australian Off Road Championship.ORRinc was formed in 2008 with the prime objective of commercialising and growing the Australian Off Road Championship through:

sponsorship merchandise

internet

television

corporate hospitality

ORRinc seeks to exercise its commercial rights in a manner that will:

Enhance the image and value of the AORC

Explore all available revenue sources, but particularly sources other than those related to existing competitors and organisers

Create an image for the AORC which is modern, dynamic and easily recognisable

Ensure the AORC maintains a strong and popular image for quality and safety

Value the sponsors and other stakeholders of the AORC, the competitors and the organisers

Achieve a high common level of event organisation and imaging

Increase the media coverage of the AORC

In addition, ORRinc is committed to the concept of a vibrant and successful championship that can be used as the flagship to promote the growth of Australian off roading at all levels.

Part of the charter of ORRinc is to co-operate and integrate with the Australian Off Road Commission / CAMS which remain responsible for sporting matters of the Australian Off Road Championship, including:

Class structure

Calendar composition

Safety regulation

Sporting organisational requirements

Activity to Date

Initial seed funding has been provided by a number of AORC competitors and the Confederation of Australian Motor Sport Ltd, though longer term it is imperative that these activities be funded in other ways, primarily through commercial sponsorship. Work is being done to obtain this presently through a professional in this field.

To commence 2009 a one year television arrangement has been entered into as a toe in the water exercise. Shown on Network 10s new ONE HD all sport coverage channel, there has been the most widespread coverage of the championship to date, including screening in bars, coffee shops, corporate receptions and retail outlets such as Harvey Norman and JB Hi Fi. Notwithstanding, ORRinc will be reviewing this years production and will consider the available options with a view to delivering the package for 2010 and beyond which maximises benefits for the various stakeholders.

Other measures to date have seen the appointment of a Media Co-ordinator (Randall Kilner) resulting in improved print media exposure and also a merchandise provider (Sportzprint) coming on board. Developments into the future will include a dedicated web site, with the domain name www.aorc.com.au reserved. This will further increase marketing opportunities not only for the series, but also competitors.

The Board of ORRinc currently consists of Kevin Moore (Chairman), Ben Erceg, Cameron Ritchie, Campbell Andrea and Colin Hunter. Russell Innes as AORComs AORC portfolio holder is also a regular attendee at meetings/teleconferences as an observer. It is an aim to ensure there is a cross section of representation and skills, including from current competitors and organisers and a representative of the latter will be sought.

ORRinc wishes to thank the previous members of the Board who have generously and voluntarily contributed their time and knowledge for the benefit of the sport.

We look forward to regularly providing you with updates as further developments occur and would of course be pleased to hear your ideas moving forward.

Best wishes,

The Board of Off Road Racing Commercial Development Inc (ORRinc) October 2009

-- Edited by Tassie Devil on Monday 12th of October 2009 03:21:22 PM

Rush · Forum Junkie

Are people missing my point? Its not about the coverage i have had or not had on 462, I think there was enough coverage of 462 when it was result based. The question no one has answered is: Is there tv next year? How will it be managed so every competitor gets the same opportunities?

The Lifestyle Travel Show that Tassie talked about is Creek to Coast, a QLD based Travel and Leisure Show on Channel 7. I have done numerous shows with them over the years to promote Off Road Rush and I have orgainsed Creek to Coast to showcase our sport at Gundy, along with ARB, Old Man Emu, Coopers and Mickey Thompson.

This is not a confilct of interest to ORP or to the Championship. It is ADDING to the Promotion of the Sport in the Media.

jones off road · Rehab Dropout...

Rush wrote: The question no one has answered is: Is there tv next year? How will it be managed so every competitor gets the same opportunities?

I feel everyone did/does have the opportunity at present! I know the budget may be out of reach for some (most), but the people who could see how good this will be for our sport had the guts to put up their money.

Remember this is only the first year for (decent) tv coverage...you need to crawl before you can walk....and ORP started walking straight away. I beleive the coverage in action, filming, and proffessionalism is the best we have seen in aussie to date. I dont know how you can compare this with the yanks (I have seen some very ordinary dvd's from usa, and even dust to glory is focused on certain teams).

I just cant stomach 'knockers' who must only have their own agendas in mind when making some of these comments. Where were they last year? Why aren't they making the tv footage if they are so talented?

If these people could make some fair, unbiased, and constructive critisism to ORP, then I am sure next years coverage will be improved!

As I said, this is only the first year, lessons will be learn't, things will be modified. It might take a few years to get it right.....but we wouldn't even be whinging about this if it was not for ORP having a crack right now....not just talking about it!

Rush · Forum Junkie

The question has been asked regarding TV Coverage 2010 by one of my sponsors, does anybody know what is happening with this, have I missed the announcement from ORRInc?? Is there any TV at all?

I am sure I am not the only one having sponsors enquire on the Coverage for this year?

Cheers Chris Western

Trekka273 · sponsor

A non-official forum is probably not the best place to ask for official confirmation of this. Perhaps place a call to one of the AORCOM members or state delegate, etc to take further for you?

ARB TIPPING CHAMPION 2013

found this on cams media release http://www.cams.com.au/en/Media/News/2010/AORC-to-capitalise-on-TV-success-with-Nexus-MG.aspx