I was only just wondering what happened with our aussie trophy karts. Was'nt the Simpsons building a CAMS compliant version, and new rules (from CAMS)to suit 14 year olds....with a vision of introducing 8yr olds later?
What happened to this? Everyone was keen earlier in the year? I am still keen!

l can see your point Pete about the money spent ie: what you can afford is what you race. If people want to be fair and have a 1 make class why not use Edge designed buggy plans they are under $100 and you can build them without spending a huge amount of cash. Last christmas l bought my 8 year old a chinese import 110 quad bike and ever since he has been on my back about building a buggy out of it. He wants to race but the only way l can get him racing now is in a go-cart which l don't like as the protection in the is minimal or on motorbikes which is non existant. TORC is getting the Edge buggies passed by CAMS l think for thier racing so why not jump on their coat tails and go with them. If you would like to talk about getting something off the ground call me (0458671970) and that goes for anyone as l would like to see all states get involved and mabey run this class on the Prologue track at the Nationals at the end of the 1st days racing. Lets make racing a whole family experience on the track and not just the paddock.

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TORC have already done all the ground work .the paper work is already in CAMS hands to be passed.
It is a good way of ensuring our sport keeps growing.
They are a separate entity to Off Road, and run thier own race meetings, but it might be feasable to have meeting in conjunction with ours/thiers. With separate permits.

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l was thinking that the class should be for kids up to 16 not the 16+ guys that run TORC. l was hoping to see it going for racers kids who are going to the Nationals ect anyway. l couldn't think of anything better than working in the shed on my car and having my 2 kids working on theirs right next to me.

Under CAMS they can play already from 12years old .if you want them to play from 8years old you will have to do a lot of work to make rules & regs for same or send them to Go carts?

karts rubbish????????????????
karts has created many many champions (proffessional drivers) guys that race for a living
sorry to say mate but there aint to many offroaders in oz that can trully say thats all they do . arrive and drive
but on the other hand my son and daughter are itchen to go offroading but with no class they will probably have to do it on bitchuman

thats what i meant well said

Just to let you know you can build these yourself as far as i know you must become a cams approved supplier.I think you will just have to make sure the karts are exactly the same.

They may be $10 000 but if you add up the parts and SAFETY I think they are awsome value we are talking about kids here they have to be strong and SAFE

Have a look at all the kids at motocross racing there brand new good for one year $9000 motorbike these karts should hold there value as they wont be out dated.

I think the motors are around the $400 mark as i said add up the parts I would be suprised if paul is making any money out of it.

wheels and tyres
axles
hubs
brakes
battery
shocks
seat
steering
wireing
frame
belts
body
tinware
fuel tank
motor
plumbing
switchs
blah blah blah
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-- Edited by chris hutton at 05:28, 2008-11-27

so what your saying is that my under $10,000 cheap prolite hornet wich has raced since the 1980's by people like bruce chapman etc and raced at kempsy and the like , is unsafe !!!! because its cheap,racing can be cheap done right , you can build a class 5 for under $5000 , and its safe , and a hell of fun , cheap is not allways dangerous done right , i have been racing offroad since 1989 in cheap class 5's that i built my self on the cheap!!!!!!! , and i have had a lot of major crashes that have destroyed my cars and im still here to day , if your racing pro class with 600 horse power then yes it needs to be the best of everything , but as for entry level kids racing , it dose not need to be the best of everthing , its all right for the bentlys and the simpson of offroad as they have shit loads of cash , and problly worked hard for it ,but there is more lower income families out there that should be able to race as well !!!!!! with out re-mortaging there house to do so , as for entry level racing $ 5000 -6000 is more realistic ,
i have no intention of putting my son in a peace of shit ,

-- Edited by peteskillarpaint at 19:14, 2008-11-28

-- Edited by peteskillarpaint at 19:15, 2008-11-28

hi kuster
off topic not really , you mentioned cheap as unsafe ? , my piont is cheaper is not unsafe , just used my hornet as an egsample ,
if we want our sport to grow ,
it should be more accesable to all types of budgets eg low income families and the rich alike also as i said , there should be guide lines by cams for a kids class as to wheel base suspension materials used etc etc, same as all our classes we have now with out a large price tag ,
as to the $10k why pay for some one elses labour when i can build the same thing and if i can not build something then iam happy to pay someone to do it for me , ,,
if u had 4 kids the same age and all wanted to race at 10k thats a shit load of money ,
people like me who can weld , paint , do auto electics , fibreglassing , pretty much everthing needed to build a car from start to finnish should beable to do it , to strick guide lines set by cams ,
also take a look at the elite trophykart at around $15kUS with the curent exchange thats close to $30k how many families can do that for there kids , not many i know of!!! can do that
as to your comment that the best is safer thats not correct at all , from that remark i take it your the type of parent that buys brand name clothes for your kids over k-mart specails or op-shops?
people waste so much money buying the best because the "man" says that only the best will do? at the end of the day brand names r still made in china sweat shops and pepole r stupid enought to buy it ,

-- Edited by peteskillarpaint at 00:00, 2008-11-29

l agree with all that has been said meaning you would pay anything to keep your kids safe but if you can do it yourself and have the same level of safety why not. If you can build them yourself where do you get the specs from if CAMS have them when will they be released. Also will you be able to buy the parts from Paul bodies , motors ect and will you be able to run them as a buggy meaning panels not a fiberglass body. Steering racks ect can be purchased from Aussie suppliers Trik, Rivmasta ect so there might be savings there or there might not be all Pete and myself want to do is build something with the kids that they can inturn race and learn all aspects of motor racing.

i`m not going to waste anymore of my time trying to explain this to you.... You obviously have not read or you just don`t seem to understand what i have said on the subject.... And if you`re so passionate about it why haven`t you done anything to get somethin off the ground yourself, instead just whine and complain about what someone else has done to try and better our sport..... All i can say is i`m looking forward to seeing these things on the track!!!!! And i`m going to leave that comment about spoilt rich brats alone because i dont think there are any in our sport.....

in where of what i said was complaining about what people have done for this sport? i mearly said that it needs to be more affordable to accommadate more people ,
as for the rich brats comment , they r out there in all forms of sport , and in ours and at top level!
and i dont winge , i just state the facts as i see them !!!! at the end of the day if i have to pay 10k for my son to race i will , just think it should be more affordable thats all, and a lot of racing parents i have spoken to say the same thing , but wont say it in public , me i dont care i call a spade a spade , and dont care what people think of me!
and as for getting it done my self , i just dont have the name or the finance to back it up like other people do , if i did i would do and make it happen!!!

-- Edited by peteskillarpaint at 17:11, 2008-11-29

-- Edited by peteskillarpaint at 08:13, 2008-11-30

kuster wrote Not the safety and purchase price of 20 year old buggy`s. ( Good subject for another thread though)

as to this comment u wrote , i and many others feel that old cars still have and deserve at place in offroad , as long as they r maintained and upgraded to be safe to race , i do beleve that old cars dont have a place in proclass with turbo's etc , un less they have been up graded in strenght , to do so , pro class is where the rich boys play!!!


-- Edited by peteskillarpaint at 08:27, 2008-11-30

well pete...... aren`t you just the king of assumptions and inuendo..(get your wife to look the meaning up)
if you think you can do this to accomodate more people`s budgets go right ahead. I wait in anticipation to see what you come up with, seeing as you have so many opinions and ideas as to how to do this cheaper without sacrificing any safety.....

I never said that i could afford the best of everything (once again one of your assumptions... seems to be a trend with you doesn`t it?. How does your feel about this?) I said when it comes to my kids safety only the best would do....

Its not up to the scruitineers its up to the cams manual as to how the vehicles are to be constructed seeing as they are the ones insuring us to do what we do....

And as far as your comment about 20 year old cars.... once again you are making an assumption on what i said.... i never said that old cars don`t have a place in our sport at all, older cars are invaluable to our sport as thats where all the future lies is at the grass roots of our sport. But it has to managed well so as don`t have unsafe overpowered cars in inexperienced hands....

Once again i don`tthink we have any rich brats in our sport every one that i think you`re referring to have worked hard for what they have, what i more think is the issue is tall poppy syndrome...(might want to ask your wife about what that means too)......