kuster wrote Not the safety and purchase price of 20 year old buggy`s. ( Good subject for another thread though)

KUSTERRACECO · In rehab

RE: kuster wrote Not the safety and purchase price of 20 year old buggy`s. ( Good subject for another thread though)

mk5 luva · Forum Junkie

Probably the topic of a new thread but whats your thoughts Nev on a HANS device. One of my nearest and dearest friends broke his neck in a buggy a few years ago. Luckily hes up and walking/racing/event directing again. Quick thinking by the people at the scene and the fact a surgeon from the USA was in town at the time doing a chat on the very operation that was needed to fix his neck. Now he always uses a HANS device. I've gotta say 'Owee' is much better now, still trying to steal my girlfriend

KUSTERRACECO · In rehab

yes andrew i think either a hans or the laiat dont know if that is the right spelling but the latter seems better for our sport

Flat Out Off Road Racing Team · Powerhouse Poster

leatt?
I know some drivers in other motorsports complain of restrictiveness with the HANS but if it saves your neck you could probably learn to live with it

-- Edited by Flat Out Off Road Racing Team at 21:06, 2008-12-05

peteskillarpaint · Forum Junkie

does not matter how safe you make things at the end of the day if your times up theres nothing u can do about it!!
in all sports its about luck , we push the boundries every time we race , and if luck is on our side then we go home with all our bits intacted and working ,
as for the hans device ive used one , dont like it and we should not be made to have them should be up to the racer , i use a neck brace full doughnut type have for years and have had some big crashes and it works great ,
ive done more danage to my back and neck painting signs , than i have racing!
well thats my view on the hans .
pete

mk5 luva · Forum Junkie

Must say seeing a helmet imprint from the chin guard half way down Owes chest scared the crap outa me. I'm not sure about the leatt thing havent ever been near one, they seem popular in the US. At the end of the day it s up to the individual. But when you or a good friend has a biggy its a bit of a wake up call

peteskillarpaint · Forum Junkie

yeh they leave a nasty mark those helmets, the first big rollover i had , i never use to wear a neck brace or kidney belt when i first started racing , and when i had that crash i ended up with a masive bruise on my chest , and pissing blood was not good either
so now there the first things i put on before i get in to the car

gav24 · In rehab

Ive used a leatt brace on the motocross side of things they do restrict u a little but u get used to it after a while ive had some big crashes and seen some bigger ones with people and myself wearing them i think they are a real good thing

dessert-people · Rehab Dropout...

we just got the saftey solution r3 helmet restraint system yes they are a bit restrictive but i think that is the point , if it keeps your head attached to your neck then its well worth it

Wolf · Rehab Dropout...

I run with an speedway neck doughnut and it works well enough. Whats an r3?

mk5 luva · Forum Junkie

Yeah whats an R3 and what cost. Any thing that keeps you out of a wheelchair is a good thing. Probably cheaper than a wheelchair too! I have used the doughnut thingys in the past, although i think my rotti ate one confuse

. They arent big black dog proof, will take better care of HANS device.

dessert-people · Rehab Dropout...

a r3 system is a crucifix style device it is similer to the hans but it goes down your back bone instead of over your shoulder and you dont need the hans belts for it to work, it comes with a seat insert we have not tested it yet but sitting in the car with it on its not to bad, we got ours for $1200 but that was before the dollar went to poo there is also a full carbon model but that was about $1900 just to save a bit of weigth furious

Wolf · Rehab Dropout...

I'll stick to my trusty horseshoe I reckon!

peteskillarpaint · Forum Junkie

yeh me too!!!!!! the good old doughnut works fine !!!!

-- Edited by peteskillarpaint at 16:10, 2008-12-10

dessert-people · Rehab Dropout...

the old doughnut will almost stop your helmet braking your collar bone but it will not protect you againts a basal skull fracture furious

mk5 luva · Forum Junkie

Yeah i reckon if you were in hospital with a broken neck you'd think twelve hundred for a HANS or leatt would have been money well spent!!!

peteskillarpaint · Forum Junkie

like i said before nothing is 100% safe!!!! when your times up theres nothing u can do about it
and it has been proven that the hans does not protect u from side impacts so there fore its not 100% affective ,so $1200 bucks for something that may save me or not is not worth the money,
give me a 100% guarantee it will do its job every time i use it and i will buy one , , so there fore it should be up to the racer to say yes or no , life its full of risks, thats what makes life exciting , if every thing in this world was 100% safe how boring would that be !!!

peteskillarpaint · Forum Junkie

on the topic of safety , how far do we go? whats next airbags for buggies!!!!! how bout personal floation device just in case we crash into a dam or lake? and can not swim

dusty · Newbie

it may be finacialy unviable for older cars(how much is a broken neck gunna cost?)
but every new car/logbook should have fire fogger and hans device.

dessert-people · Rehab Dropout...

im pretty sure that cams will make them mandatory one day just as poeple use to race in sneakers and overalls but they dont any more furious

Renegade · Forum Addict

The donut and horseshoe style braces are next to useless in an impact. They are made of soft foam and compress with finger pressure, let alone an impact. I've seen the videos from an AIMSS (Australian Institute for Motorsport Safety) seminar I went on with regard to HANS style devices.

On the subject of airbags, HANS devices were developed as it was found that in motorsport, airbags just didn't work in the way intended due to the charactristics of modern race cars.

If you see one of these seminars being held in your state, it is well worth going along to get an insight into the science of these devices and what they do and don't do, rather than some of the fiction which is going on here.

Powerhouse Poster

I believe if the hans devise is made compusery by cams it will be the straw that breaks the donkeys back for many low budget racers who are hurting now with seat belt ,overall and boot rules adding to the ever increasing expense of racing.Some of us will never have the budget as some national and state running teams however we pay the same entry fee and have just as much fun.And on safety I think we take a far bigger risk taking our car to an event with the idiots on the roads nowadays

dan · Forum Junkie

If we still lived in a world, where everybody was responsible for themselves, and our legal system and insurance companies did not perpetuate the thinking that everything was someone else's fault - then maybe, just maybe there wouldn't be so many rules and safety regs and you could race your thirty year old rust bucket, with seatbelts out of the HQ and waering your thongs and a tshirt.... BUT - the kicker is we don't. NO ONE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THEMSELVES! These safety regs are put into place to a: PROTECT YOU b: PROTECT YOUR CAR CLUB c: PROTECT YOUR VOLUNTEERS. d: REDUCES THE COST OF YOUR INSURANCE KEEPING THE COST OF YOUR RACING DOWN

william · Rehab Dropout...

dan

i agree on 100% percent on all your points. this is a bit off topic but i feel that is is what is leading the world economy down the toilet at a rapid rate of knots.

just my 2.2 cents i just wish people would take responsible for themselves it really pissses me off.

thanks for your time