Will this destroy Extreme 2WD class??

boss truck · Rehab Dropout...

RE: Will this destroy Extreme 2WD class??

kuster · In rehab

OZ truck and tumbleweed, you need to lobby your local AORCOM commissioner to get your opinion heard.

FULLSCALE · Forum Addict

When reading the class reg's for Extreme 2wd there is already a sub heading for the Baja. These could be expanded on if needed cement the Baja in the class .
The only alteration needed would be to SR 2.2.4 to re word it to read that the "engine position shouldnot extend rearward beyond a centre line drawn between the the mid point of the front and rear wheel base" and no rear engine buggy could put a body on with out having to become a Baja to run in Extreme 2wd.
What you achieve is all engines in the front half of the vehicle driving two wheels to the extreme. How will a rear engine buggy fit the class regs then.

Rush · Forum Junkie

Lets try and see the BIG Picture here.

From reading the recent posts about this topic these are a few of the concerns raised:

1) Doing it to get a trophy

2) Current trucks wont keep up with a buggy in Class 4

3) Breaching the rules

4) More buggies will put a body on just to join Class 4

Here is reality for you

It cost us $10,000 to put a Pro 2 body on our modified buggy.

Who would do this just to win a trophy??

We went down this path to sign up Mickey Thompson Tires which is a world wide

Tyre company whos roots are Off Road Racing and to promote and use their awesome product.

Mickey Thompson Tires now have a major presence in Off Road Racing in Australia for the first time.

A body fitted doesnt make you go any faster. Some of you are worried about the buggies beating you, when the rules in class 4 allows a trophy truck, which, is the ultimate off road race car in the world to compete in class 4.

I dont think there will be a huge influx of buggies putting bodies on just to race class 4 due to cost and no extra performance. But if it is too to attact more sponsors and raise the profile of Off Road Racing then so be it.

Some competitors have secured major sponsors with buggies for 2009 which is awesome. The more the sport is out there the better.

Rules are rules - we just want to go racing and have a heap of fun like everybody else!

Cheers

Chris

tumbleweed · Forum Junkie

I agree with your approach chris and applaud your succes in attaining a new sponsor. In reality we are all going to be running against trophy trucks anyway. It does however leave a few class 4 competitors that were competitive behind. I guess it is not much different to A arm 500HP plus buggies leaving Hi tec 90's beam cars behind. Dont get me wrong change is good and its all in the rules. The relaxed rules do allow a significant take up of technology with much of it coming form the US. Does that mean we end up with many many classes and massive HP etc etc.

BAJAs RULE · In rehab

Oh so it's you!

That's it I'm getting the BAJA going, I'm not scared, I reckon I can beat you.

In rehab

Warren has the right idea, don't be scared off by what may be bigger faster 'better?' just beat them. Or do what I do, if you can't compete in the bucks dep't, beat them in the reliability dep't. Build & maintain it well & you usually pass a lot of better vehicles of all classes.

BAJAs RULE · In rehab

Hey Chris, If it was the trophies you were after, I would have sold you a package of some of my better ones for less than $10,000 and swapped you the baja for the buggy.

btw the truck looks awsome.

(btw- that is short for "by the way" isn't it? I'm not good with the letter shorthand thingy)

50 cents · Regular Poster

for people who have tougnes on buts WELL. Wakje up, i am dissapointed to see this divide the offroad comunitiy in australia. I qilll never buy a mt tyre out of respect

Stingray 2212 · Rehab Dropout...

Well said 50, you make about as much cents as the real fiddy sens.

Wolf · Rehab Dropout...

Sorry all, some uneccesary posts deleted.

Can we get back on topic now?

In rehab

It has been a good topic though, good lunch time reading, well done spaz. How long can it go on, hmmmmm?. ps. I hope nobody thinks I have been posting under a different name. Wayne Horsfall.

Wolf · Rehab Dropout...

260 wrote:

It has been a good topic though, good lunch time reading, well done spaz. How long can it go on, hmmmmm?. ps. I hope nobody thinks I have been posting under a different name. Wayne Horsfall.

naa mate, different IPs and providers. Yours is WCGNet out of Milton, his is from a 3G Mobile with the last entry from Parramatta. His real name has been requested.

-- Edited by Wolf on Monday 20th of April 2009 01:20:42 PM

jones off road · Rehab Dropout...

I was talking to spaz last weekend, (good fuel tank fabricator b.t.w.).

He suggested (at least I think this is what he meant) that I get a subaru brumby body and throw it over my prolite, should look good with the motor sitting in the tray!
But I seem to be having trouble getting the wheel arches big enough. Do I need to run front wheel drive now?

I actually thought 50 cents was a 260 alias, but Wayne seems to normally make more sense than that last entry....unless the tea and scones have affected him somehow!

Just thought I'd keep the lunchtime reading going. lol

KUSTERRACECO · In rehab

ok its now my turn when the trucks were permitted to grace their presence in with the bajas i was the cams class 4 commissioner and a fairly high profile class 4 competitor and did the norc at the time consult me or any other class4 competitor about this major change the answer would be no after being told of the new members of the oldest and foundation class of offroad racing vechicles i confronted the norc of my concerns of a mobray type vechicle or a buggy panelled as a truck and was told that it was not in the spirit of the rules and would never happen oh well i believe in the easter bunny as well

In rehab

jones off road wrote:

I actually thought 50 cents was a 260 alias, but Wayne seems to normally make more sense than that last entry....unless the tea and scones have affected him somehow!

Just thought I'd keep the lunchtime reading going. lol

Probably have anyway, you know how it is , you sit down to scones only to find they are lightweight low fat cookies with a fibreglass scone body fitted, I don't think that is in the spirit of morning tea / lunch rules, do you?

Wolf · Rehab Dropout...

260 wrote:

jones off road wrote:

I actually thought 50 cents was a 260 alias, but Wayne seems to normally make more sense than that last entry....unless the tea and scones have affected him somehow!

Just thought I'd keep the lunchtime reading going. lol

Probably have anyway, you know how it is , you sit down to scones only to find they are lightweight low fat cookies with a fibreglass scone body fitted, I don't think that is in the spirit of morning tea / lunch rules, do you?

Thats funny!!!

In rehab

jones off road wrote:

He suggested (at least I think this is what he meant) that I get a subaru brumby body and throw it over my prolite, should look good
with the motor sitting in the tray! Hey Steve, why not put the Brumby body on backwards, then the engine will be in the right spot, & everyone will think you are great at reversing

BAJAs RULE · In rehab

April 22......Nothing???? confuse

In rehab

They're running out of puff

jones off road · Rehab Dropout...

I've got nothing!!!!

In rehab

jones off road wrote:

I've got nothing!!!!

Whats new

boss truck · Rehab Dropout...

LIAbillity wrote:

could the same thing be done with an extreme 4wd ( class 8 ) ?

after seeing that car from the middle east in the last dirt comp ,
it would have better grip , a less stressed drive line ,

l know it is a while since this comment was made but l have just found out we can supply people with a new transmission from Mendeola which is a 4wd trans axel. It is for a rear mounted motor with a output shaft coming out of the front of the gearbox. So an Extreme 4wd built on a buggy platform can be a reality for those wishing to build one and it still has a tail shaft.

spaz · In rehab

Just as you thought this discussion might die down i will re-ignite it with abit of info for the class competitors who would like to air their point of view to the people who MIGHT be able to change the situation. I think it is every extreme 2wd competitors duty to put their thoughts forward, be it positive or negative. If you don't do anything don't sit back in the future and whinge your guts out about all the Buggies with Bodies running in your class. You can send all your input to offroad@cams.com.au and it WILL be noted, whether it will do any good is another story. If there is enough input to warrant change then I would HOPE that would happen. With your input/thoughts/ideas please put in any changes to the rules that you think may tidy up this problem. Please pass this on to your fellow competitors in the class so at least we have tried to do something constructive about it. If nothing comes of it so be it, we should all get on with it and hope that no one else decides to take this path.
LONG LIVE REAL OFFROAD TRUCKS.

BAJAs RULE · In rehab

sorry, can't really comment as I havn't read the cams manual, But isn,t Performance 2WD where the "real trucks" should be and Extreme 2WD be for the stadium/trophy/Extreme 2wd, Just going by the titles.

In rehab

I havn't read the rules for a while either (Jones is quite correct, it was a lot easier to keep up when it was in a book) but having followed this thread from the beginning, I think I'm correct to assume that the section about engine/ drive format has been deleted this year (correct?), if so I would have to side with Spaz & anyone else who has been running one of these vehicles built under the original guidelines which I thought did give plenty of room to move while being far removed from buggy classes. I don't ike the term 'unfair' but I don't like the thought of rules being drastically changed after a lot of time & money has been spent by many either, so Spaz, for what it's worth I will forward my opinion as you suggest. Not my class anyway but I wish you luck.

heyu · Rehab Dropout...

I think it would be an idea to read the CAMS manual on this subject,because most of the answers are already there!
You can find the manual in the new CAMS website by opening the "sport" button on the top row on the opening page,from there , in the middle of that page is the link to the online manual.

From what I can read ,The line missing in Extreme 2WD is

"The original engine/gear box/ final drive, in relation to the body, must be retained"

Have your say & send your two bobs worth (20 cents if your not old enough) into the address on Gav's post

-- Edited by heyu on Wednesday 29th of April 2009 09:28:26 AM

BAJAs RULE · In rehab

Sorry I forgot to note that also in the Extreme class is the original class 4 car the ultimate of off road machines with a massive 10" of travel, the BAJA. And whislt I agree, it is upsetting to spend lots of time and money on a car only to have the rules change.
The difference with this situation compared when a home was found in class 4 for the the previous truck spaz was involved in bringing to the sport is that the car in question this time was built to the rules NOT the rules built to the car.. disbelief

Yes I'm still cut...... cry

can we go for 4 pages, maybe 5.

Wolf · Rehab Dropout...

BAJAs RULE wrote:

... is that the car in question this time was built to the rules NOT the rules built to the car...

can we go for 4 pages, maybe 5.

Interesting comment that...

Di_405 · Forum Addict

"if it looks like a truck, than it's a truck"?????

that is questionable.

If it looks like a woman is that always the case??????????

doesnt look quite right but its wearing a dress so it must be.

Would you take that risk???

The original driveline of the vehicle you are representing should be maintained.