Bi Annual Inspection

southern son · Forum Addict

Bi Annual Inspection

feral off road · Forum Junkie

whats all this about ????

goanna · Forum Junkie

hmm...who is going to do this? if i have to go to the only cams scruitineer in Canberra it will be interesting, for my Log Book inspection he looked around a bit and then pretty much said that any issues would be picked up at race day by the scruitineer and signed it off. He also had no idea on Offroad racing which didn't help, his attitude was pretty much we are a bunch of guys running around with paddock bashes... i wasn't really impressed as i wanted a good inspection of my car so i didn't get to Griffith and get pulled up for something!!! in the end i had done the hard work so the car was fine!! Think ill head to sydney to someone that knows offroad racing to get my inspection done before 2012.

Bajas Rule · Forum Addict

I don't believe it's a witch hunt, the only reason behind separating pre 2000 and post is to spread the inspectios over two years, I don't think it's a major concern for the competitors as the cars are generally kept up to date and with the nature of the sport if they weren't they wouldn't last anyway. I do believe it's a major headache for the scrutineers.
I've printed out the form and are ready to go, just need to know who, where and when? ( and I think that's the part that is going to be a problem. As it seems to be easy to slap out the form but there is no instruction on who to contact to have it done)

A list of silver scrutineers would probably help.

-- Edited by Bajas Rule on Wednesday 15th of September 2010 10:04:37 PM

tumbleweed · Forum Junkie

in WA we are talking about getting a weekend organised at a workshop where people can book a time and roll up and get it done. Maybe get 20 or so done a day. Few clubs getting together on it.

southern son · Forum Addict

After looking at my buggy last night I only have one real question .My car was built without a cross in the main hoop it only has a two bars from the top corner to a cross bar at the height of the hip rail QUESTION will I have to cut all that out and put a cross in or is what I have ok . I would really like to now the answer becausethe re-build is all but done (or so I thought) and I would really like to paint the frame .

Powerhouse Poster

It's not a witch hunt at all, just the opposite, this should in fact, allow all vehicles to remain on the track, safely. It's about making sure all vehicles comply with the current requirements and are as safe as possible prior to going to the track. There have been a lot of amendments to roll cages, including roof reinforcement and side intrusion bars in the past few years and some vehicle owners may not be fully aware of their responsibly to ensure their vehicle complies, especially someone with the old buggy in the back of the shed and haven't raced in 10 years, or a newbie to Off Road who just bought that vehicle.

If you have done the work to an older vehicle to comply and you believe the seat and fuel tank mounts and the original bar work is rust and crack free you should not have any problems.

Only the chief scrutineer must be silver, talk to you clubs, this could become a family fun day, or a fund raising event, or as simple as you arranging with thescrutineer to comply the inspection one on one, at a time that is convenient to you both. And there's nothing stopping you from doing it in the next couple of months, it doesn't have to wait until January.

The only reason it was split into a Pre 2000 the first year and from 2000 in 2012 was logistics. To have every Off Road vehicle inspected between now and the first event in 2011, then every second year from then may be asking a bit much of a group of volunteers.

southern son · Forum Addict

I was a bit quick to call it a witch hunt and I know it's not . But I think that people with older cars with build designes and bar work which was ok when it was built e.g my main hoop we just need to know if we will be made to change things like that so we can do the work now not after we have had this check done only to have to get it checked again.

LIAbillity · Rehab Dropout...

tumbleweed wrote:

in WA we are talking about getting a weekend organised at a workshop where people can book a time and roll up and get it done. Maybe get 20 or so done a day. Few clubs getting together on it.

dont you mean in perth jeremy !
for me to attend this organised weekend its a 6 hour drive each way !
and for the blokes from conarvern its a 2000 km round trip

any way im guessing this inspection form is on the cams site ?

camo · Powerhouse Poster

In regards to the Bi Annual Inspection is it a matter of ringing up Cams and asking where can i take the Buggy?

First time doing this so excuse my ignorance

procrastination · Forum Junkie

when did this come about???????????????????????

TOYOTAPOWR · In rehab

If a race car has just been issued with a log book , and therefore had an inspection , is it right for two years?

jones off road · Rehab Dropout...

What is this inpection thing? Is there a link to a press release/cams info?
Do other CAMS racing codes need to comply with this?

Sound like another thing to 'turn-away' new competitors, along with seat belts, fire extinguishers, hip rails, licencing.........all these "LITTLE" things are starting to add-up :(

I remember how many club competitiors we lost over the years simply because of the seat belt rule!

simpson · Rehab Dropout...

LOOK'S LIKE ANOTHER CASE OF THE PEOPLE THAT PUT THE CART IN FRONT OF THE HORSE AND THINK THEY KNOW WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE eg. HIGHER HIP RAILS THAT IN SOME CASES WERE MOVED UP A COUPLE OF INCHES OR LESS AND THE FACT THAT WE IMPORT CARS FROM THE USA ONLY TO CHANGE THINGS ON THEM TO COMPLY WITH OUR OUTDATED RULES CAN ANYONE TELL ME WHY ON THE ROOF PLATE A FIXED ROOF HAS TO BE BOLTED ALL THE WAY AROUND QUESTION- SO WHAT HOLDS A HINGED ROOF ALONG THE SIDES GIVE US A BREAK AND DON'T GET ME WRONG IAM FINE WITH IMPROVED SAFETY BUT I WOULD BE ON YOUR SIDE JONES WHO COMES UP WITH THIS STUFF confuse

spaz · In rehab

I have a good idea. Why don't we have class representatives that can organize their classes to go through their class rules and sort out the old outdated ones and do a rewrite of their class regs and then once the class is happy they can then submit them to AORCom for approval. If the board has a problem with something it goes back to the class to get sorted. If they are happy it gets the go ahead. This will take the responsiblity away from cams to do the hard work which would probably never happen anyway. Who better to go through the rules for a class than the class themselves. With safety and other GR regs each class could make their own recommendations and then pick the best of the bunch. There are also a few other benifits that i could go on with but will leave it for now.
Main thing is to take the pressure off AORCom members to make decisions that they don't have to, make the competitors do the work and that may make for a better sport that we all want to continue enjoying for many years to come.
What do others think.
Might have to start another thread?

jump1 · Rehab Dropout...

i would be in that. Sounds alright to me

simpson · Rehab Dropout...

GAV WE DO NEED TO RE RIGHT SOME OF THE OUTDATED RULES WE BUY CARS AND COMPONENTS FROM THE AMERICANS SO WHY DO WE THINK WE KNOW MORE I HAVE A NEW US BUILT CAR THAT NEEDED SOME CHANGES TO COMPLY TO RACE HERE APART FROM FITTING NERF BARS ALL OTHER CHANGES SEEM TO ME A WASTE OF TIME I JUST THINK THE WRONG PEOPLE ARE PUTTING THESE NEW CHANGES THROUGH TO CAMS AND HAVE NO IDEA SO SOME SANITY WOULD BE GOOD BEFORE WE LOSE MORE PEOPLE OUT OF OUR SPORT SELF REGULATION SOUNDS GOOD TO ME

oz truck · Forum Addict

To get back on track I have seen 2 older cars that have only been welded from the top no welds on the bottom side off the frame allso I have seen a main hoop that was rusted out aswell. I think the cars have never been inspected these car have been raceing for years . I think there are a lot of car that need to be checked. may be start with older car say before 1990 then next year 2000 and so on,

jump1 · Rehab Dropout...

is there a list of people that can do this ??

simpson · Rehab Dropout...

YEA I AGREE PAUL WE PURCHASED AN OLD RIVMASTER THAT WE HAD TO CUT OUT THE HOLE BOTTOM OF THE CAR IT WAS SO RUSTED OUT IT LOOKED FINE TILL WE HAD IT SAND BLASTED AND I DONT THINK SOME OF THE OLDER CAR OWNERS WOULD KNOW UNLESS THEY HAD THEM CHECKED IF YOUR ROAD CAR HAD A PROBLEM IT WOULDNT GET PASSED FOR REGO SO IT WILL BE THE SAME FOR YOUR RACE CAR Q. WHO HAS A LIST OF CAMS GUYS THAT CAN LOOK AT THESE I JUST HAD MINE TECH INSPECTED BY CAMS IT WAS'NT SUCH A BIG DEAL IT WOULD OF BEEN A GOOD IDEA FOR WHO EVER ORGANISED THIS NEW REQUIREMENT TO HAVE ALL THE INFO IN PLACE BUT ITS JUST LIKE THE SIDE INTRUSION BAR MESS -CART BEFORE THE HORSE

LIAbillity · Rehab Dropout...

i tryed to find some info on the cams web site , but with out any luck !

Stingray 2212 · Rehab Dropout...

My view is that this is a bad idea. I believe it could make cars less safe. At the moment you go to every race expecting scrutineers to go right over your car. There is always a possibility that they could require you to remove panels so that they can inspect a car. If we move to a bi-annual inspection I will bet that like now happens with seat belts, all they will do is look at the date. Some cars will do only a couple of races in two years while others may do a lot, if you are doing a lot of races your car could be trashed in two years. I think a system that randomly picks a vehicle out at a race for a panel off inspection has much more merrit.

jump1 · Rehab Dropout...

maybe they should set a min of races before the bi-annual inspection kicks in ??

william · Rehab Dropout...

can some one tell us who can carry out these inspections and what they will be doing as part of the inspection as if they will be just looking for a car with rust that will be a waste of time as both the cars that i have done to date looked great till you started cutting up and finding tubes full of water and also the fact that a large bit of my rollcage was built out of 1.2 mm tube.

also as far as i know this was talked about at the beginning of the year but as we are now in September the forms are finally available. again there does not apper to be a set of guideline that this inspection will take.

so is it just a panel off. or does it have to be stripped to frame for inspection.

i have no concern that my car wont pass as if you look in my build thread i have replaced a large amount of the frame to bring it to standard.

can some one please add a link to all the details on this inspection. i know that the board is all volunteers and it takes time to get all this through but i think a review off how all this happens is called for.

Elaine Nikiforoff · Powerhouse Poster

More information wll be forthcoming. If you read AORCOM minutes on the CAMS website you will see what they have in mind. My understanding is that this is the form that the scrutineers will complete when they carry out the inspection. It is an inspection requiring panels and floor pan to be removed, chassis to be free from greae, oil and mud. The chief scrutineer must be Silver grade or above. If clubs hold a day for this inspection to be carried out only the Chief scrutineer needs to be Silver. If you require a scruineer to attend your garage/workshop then they must be Silver and you will be charged a fee by the scrutineer.
Suggest you contact your club to see if they are putting any plans in place to hold an inspection day or maybe some clubs need to ban together as Jeremy suggested if not all clubs have a Silver scrutineer available.

Stingray 2212 · Rehab Dropout...

Just read the minutes " The commission wishes to note that this process does not require the vehicle to be stripped down to it's cage in order to complete the inspection" If that is the case I have no idea what the difference between this inspection is & a regular "at race" scrutineering.

jump1 · Rehab Dropout...

is there a list of silver grade or above people and conatct numbers as i dont really want to have to do a 14hour round trip just for a 1 hour inspection?

In rehab

Here's another way to look at it. As Simpson said, a road car will have rusty bits picked up at rego time & thats very true, however, if all the self employed mechanics/AIS inspectors out there will understand I'm sure, it is alot easier & less strain on the customer/mechanic relationship when that rego inspection is carried out when the renewal first comes, ie 30 days or so before the rego runs out. You tell someone that their car needs surgery on the day their rego runs out & all hell breaks loose, many times to be a nice guy one might say to a good friend or customer, OK I'll pass it & maybe make a note that the offending part is fair only & it should be fixed very soon only to see the same problem next year, IT DOES HAPPEN. Can anyone see how this scenario can relate? Imagine the mechanic is the race scrutineer, the customer is the racer/friend, the rego deadline is the start line on that day, the next years rego is the next race. IT DOES HAPPEN. I think if the scrutineers were doing the absolute correct thing on race day you would find the usual attrition rate of off road racing would start before the race had even started. I think people would be much more likely to turn from the sport if they were turned away from a race than if they were told to fix a problem with time to spare. Also think of the stress on the poor scrutineer on race day who has to make a judgement call on many cars with problems that realistically can't be fixed on the day but reluctantly passes it to 'save the sport' IT DOES HAPPEN. My 10 cents (inflation) worth.

jump1 · Rehab Dropout...

i have no problem doing it just not to happy if i have to travel a 14 hour round trip for it. But i do understand why it needs to be done at the end of the day they are just trying to make it safe for everyone invovled

tumbleweed · Forum Junkie

I think a bit of effort once every two years is not too much to ask. We all sign our entry form saying our car complies - it is not up to the scrutineer to check everything. Many people would not have the full level of experience to even assess their own car and a panels off inspection could be very helpfull in picking up problems that can get ingnored on race day such as rust, outdated bar design etc.