Bi Annual Inspection

croweater · Powerhouse Poster

RE: Bi Annual Inspection

tumbleweed · Forum Junkie

Splitting it at 2000 does two things - it breaks the group in two for the volunteers, and also lets the scrutineers focus on a group of cars that were built to the pre 2000 regs (and brush up on those regs), then next time a group of cars that were built after that.

I am not advocating limiting engine size against age of frame. I beleive common sense needs to prevail on behalf of the competitor - after all they make the decisions in the drivers seat such as when to brake, how fast to go etc. They can hurt themselves with a 1300cc if they want to.

Stingray 2212 · Rehab Dropout...

There is a way to make this a hell of a lot more practical & that is to allow not just "silver" scrutineers to do it. Why don't AORCom put out a sheet that spells out what they want checked, specifications of bar work etc, anything else that is specific to an off road car. Send it to all clubs & allow the scrutineers that they now trust & have trusted for ever to insure cars are safe to race on raceday, to carry out these inspections. The point of having to get a silver scrutineer to come to a particular place on a particular day is just not practical. What if a car needs a second inspection what happens then. Can the silver scrut allow the club scrut to sign off or does the car owner have to tow their car who knows how far to get the silver to do the second inspection. If a regular club scrut can do it then before someone races they can simply arrange for the check to be done. Forcing people to have their cars ready in January for inspection is again not practical. By all means organise a day, but if for some reason someone can't make it on that day should they then have to tow their car a huge distance in order to be allowed to race. Why don't AORCom trust our regular scrutineers.

heyu · Rehab Dropout...

Silver scrutineers will be in charge of the checking but will obviously have the help of other scrutineers of any grade plus anyone else that can help on the day.
There just ain't enough silver scrutineers around otherwise , our club has one, and we hope to borrow one or two from other disciplines to complement our guys.
Our club, Sydney Off Road Racing asc Inc, is trying to work out a couple of days to suit both scrutineers & car owners,maybe in a couple of different locations

tine · Rehab Dropout...

hey fellas, a lot of disscussion about older chassis,mines over 20 years old i have cut a few pipes out and welded a few in and the internals of the old pipes were silver and as shiny as the new pipes,so you cant use that as an arguement(and their would be some very rusty ones out there),restricting engine size,your kidding arent you,there was class threes up the front pushing prolites,a 1650 at milbrodale was a long way in front of its bigger class rivals,(their is always going to be fast lower capacity cars)if you put your head in a car im sure most of us want it to be safe,the older cars will never be as strong as the newer cars,and they dont have to be,,so concerntrat on your own car,and let me worry about mine

croweater · Powerhouse Poster

You have to understand -- NOBODY is looking at restricting engine size, it was no more than a option placed before AORCOM, a number of years ago, when AORCOM were asked to consider IF any measures needed to be taken for older/ageing cars to remain in competition.
AORCOMs answer was, so long as they are biannually inspected ( and this includes all years ), in a suitable type of enviroment, with the right scrutineers, and whatever else is on the checklist, that they (AORCOM) see no problem with older cars.
There is no conspiricy, no agenda, no further action ( that I know of ). The options I listed earlier were no more than suggestions that came back from state panels.

tine · Rehab Dropout...

i think when you have a late model buggy it is easier to pick certain weakness s in older cars,but older cars have been and still are doing the job,,having fun with what you have is what its all about,,,

jones off road · Rehab Dropout...

Gday Croweater,
I heard recently (rumours) that restricting engine capacity IS on the agenda for future AORCOM meetings!
Can someone confirm if this is true, so some real discussion can take place before any decision making?

croweater · Powerhouse Poster

Nothing has been mentioned at my club, probably only rumours.

tine · Rehab Dropout...

if your worried about bar work,just ring cams,i think too many are stressing about nothing,,

Maurie Fuller · Forum Junkie

This is the latest bulletin on the bi annual inspection released on the 12th October by Jos Roder at CAMS. His email address is jos.roder@cams.com.au
The link is
http://cams.com.au/Forms/~/media/BI-ANNUAL%20OFF%20ROAD%20VEHICLE%20INSPECTION2010OCT.ashx
For buggies it is FLOORS OUT and PANELS OFF.
The venue must have a hoist or inspection pit. This eliminates "at track" inspections.
AASA is looking good and they are interested, google it.

Maurie Fuller · Forum Junkie

BOOST

CJ_DT · Powerhouse Poster

So, has anyone found a hoist that will fit a later/larger model buggy between the posts......
Also if someone signs off on a car being alright, and its rusty inside the frame and it folds up injuring somebody, is the person who signed it off as being alright liable?

Stingray 2212 · Rehab Dropout...

The hoist issue is interesting. This really hasn't been thought through. I am a motor mechanic & own my own workshop. This may only apply to Victoria, under government worksafe law if the the business is registered for workcover everyone that enters the workshop must be on that workshops workcover policy. This means that the scrutineer & anyone assisting will need to be on that businesses workcover policy to be legally allowed in that workshop. It also means that the car owners will not be allowed into the shop unless they are also on the workcover policy. I am sure AORCom wouldn't want anyone to break the law, would they. The only alternative is to find a privatly owned hoist or pit, it simply cant be done at a registered business.

goanna · Forum Junkie

I wonder how they are going to handle us tin top guys. Panels off really is not relevant to us. im guessing its just an inspection on the cage. My log book is only 6 months old if that, glad i don't have to get mine done before next year.

Stingray 2212 · Rehab Dropout...

The way it reads only "buggies" have to remove floors & panels. So I guess that means if you have a class four that started life as a buggy but you have put other panels on it & now call it a class four you don't have to remove the panels or floor. Even things like trophy trucks which are just effectivly front engined buggies are not required to remove panels or floor. Makes perfect sense!!!!

jones off road · Rehab Dropout...

MOST hoists wont fit a current style buggy getween the posts without modification (narrow wheels etc)

Pits also have a range of workcover/liability problems that will need to be addressed, this is why pits are hardly used anymore!

Good to see we have a lot of 'smart' decision makers working on OUR behalf.

Does anyone know of a race INJURY over the years that was sustained due to rusty/cracked pipes? I know of some DNF's from broken pipes/welds etc, but not any injuries!

Rusty Nutz · Forum Junkie

What a great idea this is...

LSC

LIAbillity · Rehab Dropout...

hehe ,
reminds me of the engine manufactures logo rule lol

960Mike · Powerhouse Poster

I have 3 Molnar clear floor 2 post hoists and can reverse my maximum width trailer (2500mm wide) between the posts and lift my buggy from the trailer.

The posts are 2650mm apart insides so I don't think there is any buggy that wouldn't fit.

If the maximum width you can tow is 2500mm wide then I would assume people would have to put skinny tyres on to transport to the inspection anyway if their buggy was wider.

Regards,

Michael

tumbleweed · Forum Junkie

dont worry about the gap between the hoist posts, from what i read here the people barriers will be the problem

jones off road · Rehab Dropout...

tumbleweed wrote:

dont worry about the gap between the hoist posts, from what i read here the people barriers will be the problem

hmmmm, something else the executive decision makers should take into account, unless the damage is already done?

Maurie Fuller · Forum Junkie

The last bulletin came from Jos Roder at CAMS. Maybe he is just the messenger but maybe some people with views on this matter should send him an email.
jos.roder@cams.com.au
Who would like to promote the first event for 2011.
2010 was bad enough with the side intrusion bar rules, it pulled our numbers way down for the first event of the year.
Some people tell me it takes half a day to pull the seats, pedals and floors out, then you can't drive them.
They don't mind the frame inspections, it is the floor removal that is a problem. (Welded or riverted in etc)

croweater · Powerhouse Poster

why not treat it the same as a working bee, sign on, then CAMS insurance would cover it. Has anyone rung CAMS about this insurance issue or just making assumptions?

Stingray 2212 · Rehab Dropout...

You are spot on Maurie, to remove the floor is both time concuming & expensive. I know that in order to remove my floor I will stuff it & need to replace it. It is in perfect condition. I replaced it about six years ago (since then it has maybe done seven races) I put it on with sicaflex & these special rivets called monobolts. I had to hire the tool to install them. This inspection is going to cost me about four hundred dollars & countless hours. It is bulltish. I may only race my car twice in two years so I will have to destroy another floor in two years. Pehaps what I should do is make some cardboard panels up for it & call it a class four then I wont need to take it off. These rules are a joke, as are the people that come up with them.

jones off road · Rehab Dropout...

Maurie Fuller wrote:
Who would like to promote the first event for 2011.
2010 was bad enough with the side intrusion bar rules, it pulled our numbers way down for the first event of the year.

Again...another perfect example of bad decisions/ideas to drive people away from off-road.

We NEED to get our sport sorted out, and sooner rather than later!

jump1 · Rehab Dropout...

anyone know of places in vic that will be doing it or some where close to the nsw/vic border?

Maurie Fuller · Forum Junkie

I know it doesn't help but On the lighter side,
My dictionary shows BI ANNUAL as being twice a year.
BIENNIAL is shown as every second year.

Stingray 2212 · Rehab Dropout...

Jos said they are changing it to biennial. True story.

scrutineer · Regular Poster

For general informatin.

Last weekend SORRA scrutineers conducted their first Biennial inspection in the Southern Highlands. Two vehicles were inspected with panels and floor pans removed, on a hoist in daylight hours as specified. It took approximately 45 minutes for each vehicle with three scrutineers, 1 silver & 2 bronze. Unfortunately one vehicle failed due to cracks underneath the chassis and two holes. The owner was very surprised and has undertaken to carry out repairs and will have it repaired before it's next event. He fully supports the Biennial inspection and agrees that it is a good idea. Although he regularly maintains his race vehicles between races he has never had it on a hoist before and was unaware of the fatigue of the frame.