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couple of new bullitens we need to know about B12/029 seat belt cutters now required. Also minimum requirements for floor material thickness and attachment. B12/029



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A question- the new 2 ml alloy thickness. My floor has to be changed because it's 1.6 ml of the best grade of alloy the US has to offer.

So is the new 2 mil crap that probably came from China going to give me the same level of protection in my floor ? Should there not also be a grading of materials used ?

And i like the seatbelt cutter idea could save a life.



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I was waiting for the first reply.
Simpson, I am the same as you....just ordered the cheapest shit aluminium to comply, but I am not game to whinge, I will just comply. Guess I should have done the biennial inspection sooner so it was not noticed, but then again, the floor would not have been in it.

Seat belts are interesting, I am now glad I bought the cheapest, longest life, sticking rotary buckle seat belts! Cause now I can cut myself free with a $5 ebay cutter that is probably supplied with a blunt rusty blade, designed for car seat belts (not for the heavy webbing racing belts). Next rule will be a 2 year blade life on the cutter, to match the belts and bienniel inspection.
Guess I am getting more sarcastic in old age, notice my lack of racing over the last few years? My kids might be the first generation of Jones's not involved in off-road since its inception......because by then they will want DNA tests to show they have off-road genes before they get a licence.
I know my kids are super keen to get involved, but i know I wont push them into it.....footy boots are much cheaper! Wonder why AFL etc dont seem to worry about future liability problems?

Overall, I DO agree with the 2 new rules, just venting! These new rules do have common sense inolved, pity some of the previous rules dont.

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Floor not required until Jan 2013.

Belt Cutters requred April 2012.

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Thanks for that TP, did not notice, guess online manuals and screen scrolling dont suit me!
Anyway, guess my floor will be done sooner!

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RULES, RULES AND MORE RULES WHO COMES UP WITH THIS STUFF ?

Could they perhaps take up knitting,



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I'm glad when i rebuilt my car i went 3mm alloy floor with 8mm bolts now, just incase they decide to change the rules again next year. With the price of new belts it would have to be a real bad emergency to cut them.



 



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The Zsus fastners on the floor is interesting. I think I would prefer bolts. It's a wonder they don't have to be 300mm apart or something

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Just had a quick look on Ebay. You can get one from Aus for $21.80 or the same one from the US for $8.45. Those prices include delivery.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/POLICE-FIREFIGHTER-EMT-EMS-POCKET-CAR-AUTO-SUV-SEAT-BELT-CUTTER-NEW-/330701015058?pt=BI_Security_Fire_Protection&hash=item4cff510812

 

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/CAMS-APPROVED-SEAT-BELT-CUTTER-100-TIMES-FASTER-THEN-SISSORS-OFF-ROAD-DRAG-/180758221669?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2a16079365



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Just as a quick note on the floors. My car came across from the states with dzus fastners on the floors and 2mm thick. I am not 100% sure on the spacing and I dont have the car here to check. I bottomed the car pretty hard at the pines in 09 and ripped the front section of the floor off. When I got underneath the car to fix it, ALL of the dzus fastners were still in place and the aluminium had ripped around it. I was a bit weary of the fastners at first but now Im all for them and that showed how strong they are. And the floor is off in 1 minute and back on in 4... So I love them.

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From the point of view of the blunt end of the field:
I agree with the spirit of the floor rule, but the way the rule is written could be better.
There is no definition of "unmodified factory floor pan" which makes it a subjective opinion on the day which can lead to some disagreements between scrutineers and competitors.
Technically drilling a hole in the floor pan for the crotch belt anchor is a modification.

I would suggest something like:
"Modification" in this case means removal of material more than the minimum amount neccesary for mounting of seats, seat belts and replacement or relocation of the transmission.
"factory floor pan" consists of the floor and transmission tunnel.
Specifically:
* the floor area within the outer edge of the foot plates for the main rollbar and front roll bar / front legs  
* the transmission tunnel from the back of the bell housing rearward to the main roll bar.
* any factory reinforcing members welded to the floor pan within this area

In addition any holes larger than 25mm within in this area, other than those for gear selection and handbrake, shall be welded up.


Have you seen that Mining Incident PDF that did the rounds a few years ago where a big stick speared up through the passengers seat?
there is a large cable grommet under the passengers seat in Patrols just near the gearbox crossmember which guided the stick up into the grommet.

 



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If i was told i had to bolt in a 5 ml steel plate under my seats i wouldn't have a problem with it, Because that to me makes some sense. This is a sport with a lot of dangers involved so unless we are all going to start racing tanks the rules are going to keep coming. I would just ask for some thought in the process not some of the B/S we have been getting the last couple of years.



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to me it would make sense to have thicker material infront of the seat, as this is where it will enter the cab, as it near impossible for a object to go through floor and then throught 4mm of fibreglass seat. or carbon fibre etc. i my self have 5mm alloy from seat forward. for this very reasson.

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spoiltone wrote:

to me it would make sense to have thicker material infront of the seat, as this is where it will enter the cab, as it near impossible for a object to go through floor and then throught 4mm of fibreglass seat. or carbon fibre etc. i my self have 5mm alloy from seat forward. for this very reasson.

 beard and mastercraft seats etc only have straps underneath, so in some cars protection under there might save a rectum examination?

I must say that my floor has been a bit thin, and something I have worried about, so the new rule is not a bad thing.

I am not sure that the seat belt cutters easily available will be suit our needs, because we would need to do 2 or 3 cuts to release ourselves, on thicker material than car seat belts...will the blades be up to the job?

Also, do you let the co-driver cut the 'crutch strap'? I guess they have faith in your driving, so should we have faith in not getting a vasectomy from them?

I am happy to mount the cutters in the car, but I think they are more of a CAMs liability insurance issue than a practical application.



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Over the years I had a few dramas with seat belts coming undone while racing even with rotary buckles but I have never had one jam.

Has any body ever not been able to get out or the car?

Under what circumstances would you need to cut your belts to get out?
Not whinging , just curious.

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A bloke racing down here last year rolled his buggy and went to release his harness while hanging upside down and the aluminium lever on the latch type harness broke clean off leaving him strapped upside down unable to undo his belts, I think they got it undone with a screwdriver or something, but was a pretty scary situation.

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Also had rotary buckles not come undone when they get full of mud, had to pour water in them to wash the mud out so they would release

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I have used rotary buckles for a long time, years ago the first set I bought never stuck no matter what, then CAMS brought in the year limits, so I went cheap and lever style, they were a pain in the bum, so I went back to rotary. The newer/cheaper rotary always semm to stick with mud, but I am assuming under load (such as upside down) that they will release.
Either way, I still have 5 years life left, so I will be looking for a bucket of water before the belt cutters!

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not if the car is on fire jones! (use the bucket of water on the fire - and the belt cutters on the belt)


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Seat belt cutters melbure packing supplies

Try   mps@melbpack.com.au 03 97617970

hbb4  stretchwrap film cutters

I think it was about $20.00 to $25.00 per box of 12



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