4x4 buggies - what class could they fit into?

digsy · Powerhouse Poster

4x4 buggies - what class could they fit into?

FOA Prolite · Rehab Dropout...

I think the cross over in the sport would be a great idea, to have them involved you would need to give them their own class or make them a sub class of Pro buggy.

gav24 · In rehab

i reckon they would need their own class pro 4x4 buggy class

heyu · Rehab Dropout...

Normally if they don't fit the regs for a particular class but meet the the CAMS regs,they would slot into the Pro Class.

I can't see this being a problem,?

Dusteater · In rehab

God not another class! Pro buggy is about the biggest and the best, a virtual unlimited class with a max engine capacity. Put them in there I say.

jones off road · Rehab Dropout...

Why cant they put on some panels and race class 8....not that hard if they are serious about joining us?
I think it would be really bad to create another class, if they want to race, they need to import/fit with what we already do!
A 4WD in pro class would create heaps of problems?

Patrol842 · Forum Addict

nothing in Extreme 4wd says which end the engine has to be in. just that the block can't cross the centreline of the wheelbase.

Pro class clearly states 2 wheel drive.

There are 3 options:

1: they put panels on to make it look like something and call it extreme 4wd.

2: they relax the 2wd rule in pro class, it's against the spirit of the class anyway. Sooks need to man up and accept they might be beaten by something thats different. :)

3: they throw them in with the side by side class which is just unfair.

As a related issue: Personally I think Production 4wd has well and truly outgrown its original concept of street registered vehicles with some safety gear especially with the lack of support and understanding from the licensing departments. At the same time Exteme 4wd is growing rapidly and trending toward a natural split between tube frame and chassis cars. A far more sensible class split is something like the Performance / Extreme 2wd classes so I'm leaving my chassis rails intact just in case things change.

-- Edited by Patrol842 on Monday 16th of April 2012 01:45:39 PM

heyu · Rehab Dropout...

It says it all in the first post, they are very much like a 4WD Jimco or Razerback. and having the motor mid mounted they can only fit into the existing Pro class. No problem

digsy · Powerhouse Poster

Almost all of these setups DO cross the centerline of the wheelbase

The above cars have a reverse mounted engine just forward of the rear diff.

I agree completely that they should be allowed to run in the ProBuggy class. It makes sense to me - being the "Unlimited" Class... but I'm sure someone else will come up with a good reason not to let them run.

Atleast I'm not wildly out on my own in my thinking of them being a ProBuggy -
Does anyone have a good CAMS contact that I could email and see where it heads?
Just I emailed - technical@cams.com.au - however have received no reply...

jones off road · Rehab Dropout...

Welcome to the cams world.
I would suggest that if you are serious, then try to start/find another insurance body, and then ask the rest of us to join your group....might sound silly, but someone needs to try it?
Trophy karts need somewhere to go, as do many other imported vehicles. Iknow I would be happy to bypass biennial inspections, and seat belt rules, and cutters that won't work, and the many more rules that will be implemented before I get time to race again!
I know this will not answer you question, but I think you will find that's there is NO way you will be able to be accepted into pro class!

jones off road · Rehab Dropout...

Btw, who insures the rock racing?
Maybe they can expand their interests?

Stingray 2212 · Rehab Dropout...

Let's hope so.

Patrol842 · Forum Addict

digsy wrote:
Almost all of these setups DO cross the centerline of the wheelbase

The above cars have a reverse mounted engine just forward of the rear diff.

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You can move your engine back so that the rearmost part of the block is just in front of the centreline, or you can move it so that every part of the engine block is completely BEHIND the centreline.

There is a big differece between people think it says and what it actually states. You just cant have any part of the block ON the centreline.

Judging by the seating is almost all of those cars will have the entire engine block behind the centreline. throw some landy guards over the corners and call it extreme 4wd.

Your frame has to comply with GR 9 (here: http://www.camsmanual.com.au/pdf/05_offroad/OR05_OffRoad_General_Reqs%28GR%29_2012-3.pdf )

There is Colin Hunter's car in this configuation and there is Scott Bryce's which has a lot more photos published of how it goes together:

http://www.proformance.com.au/motorsport.htm

there are a few grey areas around the firewall. I'm not sure on the outcome but Scott was pinged for not having a firewall over his transmission. I think you will find CAMS will just tell you to put panels on it, probuggy explicitly states 2wd.

Here is the engine block rule in extreme 4wd: The location of the engine is free, save that no part of the cylinder block may extend across a line drawn
at right angles to the longitudinal axis of the car, at a point halfway between the front and rear wheel hub
centres.

and the probuggy 2wd rule: SR 1.2 PRO BUGGY Buggies with engines not exceeding 6000cc.
ELIGIBILITY/DEFINITION
A one- or two-seat, two-wheel drive automobile, as defined in GR 1.

-- Edited by Patrol842 on Sunday 29th of April 2012 06:01:22 PM