Stingray: Let's just pretend for a minute that the national series is Hyden, gas dash, finke, Gundy and something in Kalgoorlie. Then some guy from Perth compains that Gundy is too far to go. What would you think about his argument?

I didn't attend any national events, I'm a state competitor who is rebuilding the car as I can afford it to something that has a chance at taking out the class nationally through reliability. While I'm not driving I'm helping run events and doing what I can to help my club, I'm supporting every round of the national series by helping the state competitors race so they can develop to a national level if they wish and using my skills and contacts try to make state rounds as professional and safe as they can be. (clearly PR is not one of those skills)

What is misleading is claiming it isnt competing directly with the AORC. Lack of clear communication of intentions is what damaged the AORC so badly, please don't make the same mistake.

Maybe a true national series is too big for the existing offroading community in this country, maybe we do need to split the country in half. Maybe we need to have a decent crack at fixing what we have before taking our ball and going to play in our own yard. I don't know.

Yeah that's fine Danny if was only so easy to get an answer about the Aorc questions, insurance has always been a large percentage of the entry costs and someone has to run it, so the ARB series would be classed as a State level event by Cams so a lower insurance liability applies is this so. And in no way am i trying to downgrade it but anything that lowers costs can't be a bad thing.

I think it is a smart move to have put this together, it gives greater opportunities to more people without some of the BS hence a family friendly environment and a cheaper option.

You know i don't really care how they plan to make it cheaper or better, the competition between two events for entry's gives us as consumers a better product so game on!

Danny Brown wrote:

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I think people might be getting the wrong idea. This series isnt anti CAMS or anti AORC, these 4 events were going to run regardless, now they are running in a series together. ....

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which is called "ARB Australian Off Road Racing Series" which I assumed meant it was intended to be an alternative to the similarly named "Australian Off Road Championship".  Did I get misled by the title? What's that world championship baseball thing called again?

Don't get me wrong I'm keeping an open mind but if you believe it won't diminsh what remains of the AORC, and if you think it isn't undermining the efforts of every person who is trying to restore it into something to be proud of then you're kidding yourself. You are definitely competing toe to toe with it no matter what the stated intentions are.  If we hadnt had such a mess of 2012 I'd be all for it, but now I'm not so sure it's a good idea. Maybe we do need to split the country in half, I dunno. But please speak truth, poor communication is half of the problem.

From my point of view the ARB series are providing something to fill the void ORRINC have created, a situation were long standing events were shown the door for a range of reasons that we will never know, So why shouldn't these clubs put on something more than a State event, if it rivals the Aorc then someone needs to look at the people running it don't you think, Gatton turned out to be a good race but ask a lot of us that were there and you might get a different story after Saturday's track recon.

So good on the people that had the vision to do something about it. I hope your series is a total success and good on the Browns for getting behind it.