Biennial Scrtutineering,two years young

tine · Rehab Dropout...

Biennial Scrtutineering,two years young

spoiltone · Rehab Dropout...

i agree push it out to 3 years. mine has just been fully sandblaseted and powder coated. but i still need to do it :( such a pain

heyu · Patron, 2013 AORC CHAMPION TIPSTER

who would make the decision on whether it was well maintained or not. The owner?

tine · Rehab Dropout...

hi ian,if my car sits in the shed for two years and not raced i still need to pull it apart for an inspection(and waste a day dragging it around the country or pay someone to do it)when it is scrutineered at a race surely the scrutineer can put his head in their and see how well maintained it is,the owners will tidy them up if they keep having to pull them apart,i dont see why anyone has to pull apart a perfectly good race car unless it is broken,,,

Kick my dog · In rehab

The responsibility of the vehicle is ultimately with the owner.

I have no issue with the Biennial or even an annual check if that meant that at each event all they did on the marshalling line was to check belts and fire extinguishers. Clothing could be checked with paperwork. There are spot checks every 4th event, which is targeted and the scrutineers come around to your pit during the event and conduct the check.

It works at circut racing, I don't see why we have to commit to scrutineering all over Australia for events. It would eliminate regional scrutineering, and the early morning necessity at tracks. The event would flow better and as I said the ultinmate responsibility is and should be with the owner of the vehicle.

tine · Rehab Dropout...

hey adam,how far do you travel for the biennial,how much does it cost you? i agree its on the owner,someone higher up thinks we arent capable of looking after ourselves,

heyu · Patron, 2013 AORC CHAMPION TIPSTER

I would be very happy if I didn't have to have the Biennial .
I have enough things to do. It is not the people doing the scrutineering that came up with the idea.
I have to get my car ready for this as well and even though I don't race much, time is still not in plentifull supply.
Oh! by the way there is a working bee at Colo ,on the10th February . That is the Sunday after the Biennial, if any one wants something to fill in their spare moments
come on up and give a hand.

Pedroski · Forum Junkie

I have to travel 7 hours return to have a biennial inspection.
When I purchased the buggy two years ago it was covered in rust and had just passed a biennial.
I am a mechanic who is still registered to carry out road worthy inspection in NSW (which this buggy would not have passed due to rust) and yet I cannot inspect my own race car by CAMS.

tine · Rehab Dropout...

hey peter,as a mechanic your classed as a mechanical engineer,with far more qualifications than a majority of scrutineers,you shouldnt have to travel or pay someone to tell you,"the cars great see you in a couple of years",needs to be changed,we put a lot of hours and dollars into the cars,,,we dont need any extra time wasting,,,

BAJAs RULE · Forum Addict

sounds like you need to get someone near you to become a silver scutineer, If there isn,t one there already, just in a diff discipline.

I do share your pain having only driven 10 laps of Colo since my last biennial (less than a jerry of fuel through the car). and at the slow pace I drive compared to most, Yes, it hardly seems worth it. But on the other hand if I had gone to all the races I wanted to, I could have racked up another 22 events, a possible 3000+ of racing km. Maybe it should be a max number of events entered between checks, say 20, but then I'm sure I would feel ripped off if I was running only short races and clocked up my events in 1/4 of the time of someone doing long distance races, and with less than 20% of racing km on my frame.

No matter how it is done, nobody will be happy. We all believe our race prep in up to our adequet standard, and others checking is just wasting our time.

We are lucky to have the scrutineers that we have. FTLOM, I can't understand why you would want to do a thankless job, that has to be done, and nobody else appreciates, but yet keep on giving up there time so we, the precious racers, can race.

BAJAs RULE · Forum Addict

tine wrote:
hey peter,as a mechanic your classed as a mechanical engineer,with far more qualifications than a majority of scrutineers,you shouldnt have to travel or pay someone to tell you,"the cars great see you in a couple of years",needs to be changed,we put a lot of hours and dollars into the cars,,,we dont need any extra time wasting,,,

You can never be over-qualified to be a scrutineer.

tine · Rehab Dropout...

i am not in anyway having a go at the scrutineers,they put in more effort than they are appreciated for,what im saying is the way it is at the moment,it is hard for some of us racers to get an easy inspection done,others its quite easy and dont have a problem with it,,,maybe we should have liscenced mechanics do the inspections,now that makes sense,,

heyu · Patron, 2013 AORC CHAMPION TIPSTER

Scotty, how about doing the scrutineering course .
Solve travell for all down that way. You have all the stuff needed and more.
Maybe prior learning & qualifications might help fast track things along. Ring CAMS and check?
The more people we have doing the work spreads the load.

Stingray 2212 · Rehab Dropout...

What if a comet hits the earth & we all die. What if, what if, what if, what if. At some point people need to take responsibility for themselves, if you let your car sit for 18 months after a muddy event without washing it then you are a moron.

-- Edited by Stingray 2212 on Wednesday 6th of February 2013 02:16:06 PM

tine · Rehab Dropout...

haha,i didnt see your comment,i was about to put what if an astroid hit the chassis it may have a crack,,,what if you look after your ------- car so the the rest of us hard working people can get back to enjoying a great sport,,,,

but seriously,bill and bob never clean their cars,so every car in the country will be pulled apart,i dont care if its spotless,i dont care if its not raced,you have to tow it for 7 hours,so what,you can pay someone to do it,,dont worry im sure after a while bill and bob will get the message,,,am i the only one that thinks it should be reavaluated,,,,

-- Edited by tine on Wednesday 6th of February 2013 03:01:35 PM

Stingray 2212 · Rehab Dropout...

I don't support the system because I believe that it provides a false sense of security. I have always said that a thorough inspection when you enter a race is by far the best system. If there is not enough time at races to do it the re introduce a system of regional scrutineering. That said it looks like we are stuck with this biennial system. I think after the initial inspection we need to come up with a more customer friendly system based on use. It is absurd to expect people to strip a car that has done one or two events in a two year period. I would support a system that was based on the amount of events that a car competes in after the initial inspection with a maximum time period of six years. So if you only do one or two events a year the longest you can go without an inspection is six years. Based on current state & national round numbers say six events per year so twelve events over two years.

That would of course mean is wasn't a bienniel inspection any more. It could just be called a major inspection & would need to be undertaken after twelve events (or number to be determined) or six years max. Of course you would have the option to do it early if your club was to have an inspection day.

Just my two bobs worth.

tine · Rehab Dropout...

two years goes too quick,i have done one race and a handfull of laps,the car shouldnt have to come apart for that,,

tine · Rehab Dropout...

the biennial needs a silver scrutineer which is the main problem,i downloaded the check list,its a pretty basic check if your eyes work,,who came up with the silver scrutineer idea???

Stingray 2212 · Rehab Dropout...

I guess it doesn't matter who came up with the silver scrutineer idea. The question is can it be changed. Is AROCom prepared to look at all aspects of the inspection. It is pretty clear that forcing a car that has done one event in two years to be stripped & inspected is an absurd situation. I would think that any scrutineer that has assisted a silver scrutineer do the inspections could be "signed off" & given an endorsement to do them on their own which would save people a hell of a lot of time. As you say, the checklist is pretty straight forward.

Is there a willingness for AORCom to become more customer friendly or is it just going to be the same old "like it or lump it". Time will tell.

tine · Rehab Dropout...

its a non profit sport which needs to be user friendly,other wise their will be less users,my cars ready to go,but im thinking of parking it for while,,,,

TOYOTAPOWR · In rehab

Stingray 2212 wrote:
It is pretty clear that forcing a car that has done one event in two years to be stripped & inspected is an absurd situation.

What if the car did one race in muddy conditions and wasn't washed for 18 months. Could be serious corrosion that can't be seen without taking the floor out......

cobra 236 · Forum Junkie

I agree that an chassis inspection is neccessary with all panels off, but having to do the inspection every two years is abit much for those of us who only race once or twice in that period,like myself,and have to travel for this inspection.I rekon if your stupid enough to let your race car rust to pieces and not maintain it to a safe standard then your only doing yourself an injustice by devalueing your race car.Yes a racecar is an asset and if you dont give a rats arse about your asset then you shouldnt be racing.I believe three/four years would be more practical for me.Considering event scrutineering is fairly thorough anyway. Just my 2cents.

bear · Regular Poster

im with you guys, i think it should be every 5 years , lets be realistic about it and this will help keep costs down for us budget racers

Pedroski · Forum Junkie

I agree, scutineers do a great job and I haven't met a rude one yet.
I agree, with inspections and honestly believe every two year isn't such a big imposition.
I am confused as to who would be stupid enough to race in any vehicle at high speeds that isn't safe enough to do those speeds.
There are a lot of buggies like mine that are well over 20 years old and do require TLC.
It would be extremely improbable that an off road racing vehicle involved in an accident would cause anyone outside the vehicle any harm.
So I am guessing the reason for the inspections is to cover CAMS for insuring the people inside the vehicle.

I own a small business that has to carry out relentless checks and recorded inspections on every little bloody thing or I can't get insurance or workcover/worksafe.
All of these checks and inspections are as a direct result of a lawyer suing an insurance company or government and winning on the grounds that due diligence was not taken.

So in my opinion blame the biennial inspection on CAMS trying to cover themselves with due diligence and not lose the farm when someone has an injury from an accident and hires a smart lawyer.
(Opinions are like butts everyone has one and most stink especially mine)

Pedroski · Forum Junkie

Definitely more years between checks or go off the races competed in.
Maybe it is the responsibility of the owner to contact the upcoming race scrutineers and advise them that the car needs a major inspection and pay a fee for their time.
Who the hell doesn't wash there gear after a race. God bits of Sea Lake smell like a Chinese septic farm.