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Blacky


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I really would have thought that CAMS was an organisation that would work in our favour but it seems this is not the case especially seeing how much money we spend to them that would be better spent by the clubs organising the races. Looks like CAMS is a self funded organisation that relies on our money whether they help us or not.  Looks like it is an organisation full of pensioners (as we see at each race where no-one from CAMS is less than 70) with no clue. Having worked for 28 years in an industry that is supposedly 'dangerous' (underground mining), I struggle to see how all these rules come about without consulting the people who are the ones who will be affected. Where is the risk assessment? How many racers and how often have off road racers been injured due to not wearing the head protection mentioned? If people have been injured due to the above mishaps, how much better or worse off would they be if they had SFI instead of FIA? Why is it that we are allowed to drive to an Off Road Race on public roads with all its inherent dangers (much worse than actually racing) with no coverage from CAMS yet if we drive to our jobs we are covered? Wow, an industrial lawyer would have a field day with this. Really struggling to take this in. Looks to me like CAMS have found a way to legislate a nice little money earner for themselves that we (off road racers) have no options other than to add to their coffers. Please people,  show me that CAMS are not a lot of self funding old pensioners that have lost the plot with off road racing and that they have our best interests at heart. Show me the Risk Assessments that have been used to make this rule valid.



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Wish there was alike button Blacky

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http://www.cams.com.au/media/news/latest-news/cams-responds-to-sfi#.U1udqUsvmM5.facebook      but still ,,, why compulsory??? for whose benefit ????



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The real issue if you want to talk about risk assessment is that most off road vehicles are two seaters.

The driver is mainly responsible for controlling the vehicle and therefore he is responsible for his navigator (best mate, wife, girlfriend, etc) and needs to take all 'reasonable' steps to ensure everyone arrives home safe (duty of care). If a driver doesn't want to wear a HNR fine, but make sure your navvie does!!! (along with a decent fire proof suit, helmet etc)

I'm almost  certain no one wants to fill out a risk assessment form before climbing into their vehicle before racing hence CAMS constant rule changes. I'm no CAMS apologist but it is their responsibility to ensure they are providing duty of care.

Serious accidents are rare but no one wants to be in one and if you are then you are covered by the CAMS Insurance. CAMS won't get that insurance unless they show 'duty of care'.

Unfortunately this is the world we live in now and we all have to go along. If you don't like it take up scrapbooking but be careful with those scissors!!! (kidding you guys...kidding).

 



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The real issue is not whether or not it is safer to wear one, it is the way CAMS have implemented it. Why do people who have spent thousands on perfectly good SFI devices have to spend thousands more to get FIA devices? 



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So its ok then to hold your FIA Hans device in place with your SFI Belts then?


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I just had a look at my new HANS device, could be interesting at scruitineering,  It has a SFI certificate stamp and the tether straps are FIA stamped, bring on the arguments I love it !



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I got mine from cam Ritchie at racer imports and I must say its a fantastic device.  I actually prefer it over the necks gen.  this is the sticker on mine



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Hi All,

Sorry to be the one to light the old topic up again...

But can anyone direct me to a document of some description that I can actually read and understand, instead of some ridiculous column graph with a bunch of letters and numbers in it, that tells me when and where and what I need as far as a FHR device for my Class 2 over the course of the next year and a half.


The reason for my question is that I haven't raced in a while and would really like to do Griffith which everyone knows is a NSW State Round as well as an ARB series round.
Can I race this event without a FHR and not have the scrutineers tell me I should have one, go home.

Thanks in advance,
Laurence

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Hi Laurence,

www.cams.com.au/media/news/latest-news/frontal-head-restraints-reminder

"From 1 January, 2015, all state circuit races, road events and off road events, except where specifically exempted due to the type of vehicle."

If you are using a SFI Standard FHR 38.1 CAMS will recognise these devices up until the 31/12/2015, when the SFI Standard 38.1 devices will no longer be recognised.

Anyone racing the ARB Series this year is not required to use a FHR (although its highly recommended), this will change on January 1st 2015 as we run under State Series.

Easiest way to find the info is to go to the cams site and do a search on FHR.


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Danny

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Hi Danny,

Thanks very much for the info. I was aware that the rule came in on the 01/01/2015 for state level.
But was unsure if the ARB rounds ran under a State Series permit or not so that answers my question, thank you.

As for using the device. I can understand why you would say its highly recommended. A lot of people have said they are a good thing they just take some time to get use to. But it seems that there is no use buying an SFI rated FHR if I don't own one at all.

Thanks,
Laurence



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Just FYI re the device mate, We used our HANS for the first time at Sea Lake that we got through Cameron Richie's deal. We only did 60km or so in the race plus prologue, but we never noticed they were even on. The only issue for us was getting used to strapping in with it on.

I'd say they're a good thing. So much better than the donut thing we tried to use a couple of years back.

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60 kms into sealake!? you must have been stopped near us somewhere!

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We got collected from checkpoint 13, where did you guys pull up?

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we got towed to gate 14. and the recovery bloke was nice enough to give us a beer while we were waiting on our crew!

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ha ha, nice! the recovery team at 13 supplied us with coffee at least. :)

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I CONGRATULATE THE SORRA SITE FOR CONTINUING THE LEGACY OF "A SITE WHERE YOU CAN SAY WHAT YOU FEEL AND RECEIVE CONSTRUCTIVE FEEDBACK OR CRITICISM.
OUR CLUB,NOT ASSOCIATED WITH SORRA HELD A COMMITTEE MEETING LAST NIGHT AND THE OVERWHELMING RESULT WAS CONFUSION OVER THE INTRODUCTION OF HANS DEVICES. YES WE ALL KNOW WE HAVE TO HAVE THE "ONE AND ONLY, SAVE ALL DEVICE, THAT NO OTHER MANUFACTURER CAN REPLICATE,GOD FORBID"BUT ITS IMPLEMENTATION VIA A TABLE WHERE YOU FOLLOW THE LEFT COLUMN DEPENDING ON YOUR EVENT ,THEN SLIDE DOWN TWO LINES TO DEFINE THE PERMIT AND THEN CROSS REFERENCE WITH THE BLOOD TYPE OF THE 50th PERSON THRU THE GATE HAS CLOUDED SOME COMPETITORS VIEWS. OUR CLUB RUNS THE LONGEST RUNNING OFFROAD EVENT IN AUS AND HAS INTERPRETATIONS OF THE RULE THAT STILL CAUSES ARGUMENT AT THE TABLE. IS IT ALL OFFROAD EVENTS INCLUDING COME AND TRY DAYS , TEST AND TUNE DAYS , RALLY SPRINTS HELD UNDER CAMS PERMIT ETC, ALL OF WHICH OFFROADERS CAN ENTER OR PARTICIPATE THAT REQUIRE HANS. WE TRULY CAN NOT COMPREHEND THE IMPLICATIONS OF THIS DEVICE AND ITS IMPLEMENTATION UNTIL SOMEONE IS INJURED AND THE INSURER TRIES, AS THEY WILL, TO TEST THEIR EXPOSURE TO CLAIM.

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