Drug Testing

Pedroski · Forum Junkie

Drug Testing

simpson · Rehab Dropout...

Hey Peter do you have some more info on this, I would like to know what the test came up with eg meth or steroids, I am curious as to what this tested,

DMK · Powerhouse Poster

I just recently completed a drug and alcohol testing course for work. I have a list of over the counter medications that will give a positive result. When I get back out to work I'll scan it and post it here. You will be amazed at the number of medications that will give postitive readings.

simpson · Rehab Dropout...

Thanks Dean, this would be a help to all of us, wouldn't be smart to go to an event get sidelined with a positive test only to be an innocent mistake by taking something as simple as a pain killer.

Dags777 · Forum Addict

just out of interests sake, how many people regularly (ie 2 out of 3 races) take pain killers before or even during a break of a race?

simpson · Rehab Dropout...

It could be asthma sprays or cold syrup, motion sickness pills, panadol mate these are things I've taken before or during a race so let's see what's on the list that Dean has hey, I'd rather know than get in the shit.

Pedroski · Forum Junkie

Sorry the test was confidential, but the guy tested told them about the pill before the test and the testers had to ring a very senior person at CAMS to get approval for him to race.
They sent the test into Bendigo for further testing, but it was very close to no race for the driver and only through persistence from him and decent CAMS guys that he was allowed.
There is codine in Panadine so maybe thats it?????

Stingray 2212 · Rehab Dropout...

How many times on those RBT cop shows do people test positive to drugs on the roadside test only to be found clear later. Heading down a very difficult path if people are going to be prevented from driving a race car by taking something that it's perfectly legal to drive on the road with. People are spending big dollars on cars & to get to races, I can see this ending up in court if something sensible isn't done before it gets out of hand.

simpson · Rehab Dropout...

Yeah Daryl, drug testing in NSW for truck drivers is catching all types and from what I can see your guilty till you prove your innocence, and all sorts of medications are giving the same results as hard drugs in there testing so let's see where CAMS go with this,

Blacky · In rehab

Another CAMS screw up. Do they really have our best interests at heart?

Next time I see a CAMS official during a race I am going to throw my stubby at them out of the buggy.

-- Edited by Blacky on Friday 22nd of August 2014 07:12:43 AM

Blacky · In rehab

Pedroski wrote:
the guy tested told them about the pill before the test and the testers had to ring a very senior person at CAMS to get approval for him to race.
They sent the test into Bendigo for further testing, but it was very close to no race for the driver and only through persistence from him and decent CAMS guys that he was allowed.
There is codine in Panadine so maybe thats it?????

Did CAMS not think this scenario through before it was implemented?

Stingray 2212 · Rehab Dropout...

CAMS doping policy.

http://www.cams.com.au/motor-sport/safety/anti-doping

According to this, tests are to be carried out by ASADA. They are to be a urine sample which is then taken away to be analised. The result comes back well after the event. Who carried out the test at Bendigo? What were their qualifications? What type of test was it?

Nobody wants people cheating or creating danger by taking illegal drugs but like everything proper testing has to be used. Also remember as they keep telling us, CAMS is a member owned operation, we the members own it. If they aren't acting in our best interests & the way we want them to, then we need to change things.

The CEO is a lawyer FFS, he well knows about legal process. Stopping someone from driving because they gave a positive test result to some trackside test is not on. According to their own doping policy if the test was done as they say it should be, there is no way anyone can show a positive result at the event as samples have to be sent away for proper testing.

Stingray 2212 · Rehab Dropout...

Something else from their own document.

From 2009, the concentration of testing resources will be directed away from the casual competitor - who seeks involvement in motor sport primarily as a recreation and interest/hobby - and will be directed to those areas of the sport where participants fit into one or more of the following:

International (FIA) Championships

Professional drivers and drivers who compete in classes that are a higher profile than normal

Drivers who receive assistance from CAMS via Australian Sports Commission funding grants

Drivers who have achieved predetermined success in specific and important championships, series or individual events of importance

Drivers competing in events, series or championships which are considered to be "stomping grounds" for future champions of the sport

It is assumed that the samples have been given by the athlete and have undertaken the appropriate testing and passed the security process which each drug test sample taken by ASADA goes through. A period of some weeks will have elapsed between the sample being given and when the notification process commences.

-- Edited by Stingray 2212 on Friday 22nd of August 2014 08:42:15 AM

Blacky · In rehab

A couple of places I worked the initial test (onsite) was either negative or non-negative. A positive result could only be confirmed by lab testing which took about 3 days to get a result.

If people declared something when tested like ibuprofen which comes up as a barbiturate and it was found that they were telling the truth they were paid for the 3 days off they had been given. Didn't take long for the boys to realise that if you pop a couple of pills when the drugs lotto van pulled up and you held off pissing in the cup for 1/2 hr you could get 3 days off on full pay. biggrin

offroad469 · Regular Poster

At Bendigo on the weekend there was 2 CAMS staff, one of which was ex ASADA, and an official ASADA drug tester. The testing method was a oral swab which was tested for 4 different drugs. I was tested. When I was "selected" to have the test, they asked me to declare any drugs/medication that I may have taken prior so that could be taken in to account. It was also explained to me taht if I tested positive there was a "cool off" period then another test was to be performed.
Results from the test are not disclosed to the event officials on the day.

Stingray 2212 · Rehab Dropout...

"Oral swab" isn't listed on their "test procedure" page.

Pedroski · Forum Junkie

The CAMS drug testing guys were very polite and had a job to do which I agree with, but the overwhelming issue is that once a competitor tested positive they had to ring the CEO of CAMS to ask what to do.
The Police have a set procedure which is simple and in the vast majority of cases lawyer proof, so why don't CAMS?????

Blackie wins comment of the year (Next time I see a CAMS official during a race I am going to throw my stubby at them out of the buggy.) as long as it's a VB

Buggy924 · Powerhouse Poster

Hey Blackie, it better be an empty stubby. Throwing a full XXXX stubby is okay, but a full stubby of any other brand is a waste of a good beer.

offroad469 · Regular Poster

You're right Stingray it doesn't list "Oral Swab" it does however ask for a "saliva sample"
Check out the teh Safety Testing under the heading "Illicit Drugs in Sport"

www.cams.com.au/motor-sport/safety/illicit-drugs-in-sport-(idis)/safety-testing

offroad469 · Regular Poster

You had better re-check the CAMS website Stingray under drugs in sport

Stingray 2212 · Rehab Dropout...

I stand corrected, so CAMS have two separate drug policies. Anti doping policy & Illicit drugs in sport policy.

DMK · Powerhouse Poster

Attached is a list of medications and the results they can give in adrug test.

Stingray 2212 · Rehab Dropout...

Don't eat anything the night before a race that might give you indigestion, Zantac shows up as meth. Lol.