OK, so after a few phone calls and entries on here - how does this sound for a buggy spec? Interesting I had a suggestion for under 2 litre and over 2 litre to even out the playing field.  It was noted that anyone who shoe horned a 6ltre in would run away with the class. FYI - I like the idea of putting a "H" after the number. :)



Mission statement:
   To race historic off road vehicles representative to the cars raced pre 1991 in period colour and signage.
   To provide a group within the current rules and classes for older cars to race each other, with emphasis placed on spirit of the class, enjoyment of racing the vehicles, and keeping cost to minimum. 

Front end:
   Beam only, Maximum trailing arm length 4" over standard. No bypass. No bead locks

Rear end:
   No floaters. Axle length restricted to X inches. No bypass. No bead locks.

Gearbox:
   Any H pattern up to 5 speed, no sequential, no torque converters

Engine:
   Historic: Free, NA 2001cc to 6000cc
   Historic Lite: Free NA up to 2000cc

Chassis:

  Log booked the first time prior to 1991
  Must meet all current safety standards and Triennial inspection

Safety items:
   Must meet all current CAMS rules for buggies.

Still a few questions to be asked:

Should tyre heights be restricted?
Should shock shafts/length be restricted?
Should gearbox be syncro only? IE no dog boxes?
Should turbos be allowed?
Should there be 2 historic groups in buggies?
What about tintops?

What started as a hypothetical discussion on a semi-private forum is actually escalating. :)  Nice. 

Carbyman wrote:

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The best thing I've read about in years. I use to race the sister car to peter glovers hornet. Steven Lunns hornet .It run a turbo G200 rodeo engine and porsche box. But we upgraded the front end to top mount coil over shocks and then fitted an Sr20det. My question is if i was to run this car in the H class would it need to be converted back to the bottom mount shocks ect.

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Hey Nigel!  Good to talk to you again yesterday mate, its been too long! :)

As per the consensus above, you wouldn't need to change it if the arms are 4" over or less and didnt have bypass shocks on it.  It would slot straight into the 2Ltr "lite" group with an NA, or "pro" if you kept the hairdryer if thats the way the regs go.  You'd still need to add the extra bar above the hip rail and maybe some other mods to get it passed for the triennial inspection and bring it up to current safety specs I think.

Do you know where your old car is? You might end out in the same boat as 260 where the trail runs dry.

haha. I hear you.  But even under the old rules if it was 1.6Ltr with a turbo it would have been in pro class back then anyways.

I think that keeping in spirit of the class we leave the 2Ltr group as NA to bring the old class 2 and 3s out of the sheds to compete against each other. :)  Sound good?

Hi all who are followign this thread.

Had a couple more discussions last night and had a few more suggestions - let me know what you think:

• Create a historic group within each class in line with the old class structure - IE:

• Class 4H
• Class 3H
• Class 2H
• Class 1H etc

Restrict to 31" tyres to be period correct, and to cut down costs

Instead of creating 2 groups with the capacity cut off at 2000cc, use 1650 instead to bring more class 3 and class 6 cars out of the sheds

No turbos

Prod gearboxes only

I'll put together a series of polls later with all the options that have been listed in this thread and see what the results are. Should make an interesting read!

There has been a bit of discussion around the club re an Historic class. One thing that hasn't been mentioned till now is power steering. I would ban it for these cars. I think to make historic cars non power steering is a great leveller. You can drive much quicker with it, you can hit things harder with it (wears out components quicker) & as a driver you get much less fatigued with it. If they were all manual steer I think the differences in the engine capacities would be minimal. With that in mind my restrictions would be as follows.

Minimum 20 year old beam chassis, modified to suit current triennial inspection criteria.

H pattern gearbox.

Rear torsion housing with bars.

Engine, probably period. I don't think that with the rest of the restrictions that engines matter. Maybe a maximum of a four cyl with a turbo. The rest just as per class capacities.

No bypass.

Restricted axle length.

31" Tyres maximum.

Manual steering.

Lets keep this rolling & hopefully get some cars out of sheds & back on the track.